Sunday, February 7, 2010

What if further evidence of the bible being false were to be found?

I've read enough evidence of the bible's falsehood to be convinced many years ago.





But this evidence doesn't seem to be enough for christians.





What if their were another find like the Deadsea scrolls that offered conclusive proof that the whole thing with Jesus was a lie. Evidence that when cross referenced was absolutely irrefutable.





Would you accept it?What if further evidence of the bible being false were to be found?
Hmm I have read enough of the evidence with the Bible to know its true. I have read the ones your speak about saying the bible is false, but you know, if you do the homework, you will find it isn't also.What if further evidence of the bible being false were to be found?
Would it be accepted..? Nope.





People who believe by faith aren't looking for evidence of the truth... There's plenty of truth all around them now.





LOL





Belief by faith is a mental illness - a psychosis - it's a denial of reality and truth no matter how much evidence is brought to light.





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You must have read the wrong Bible! The Dead Sea Scrolls, Science, and History proves that the Bible is historically acurate and true. Only those who believe a lie and love their sin more than the truth, will reject God's Word.
They already ignore the deliberate frauds, like the entire book of Deuteronomy, the sixteenth chapter of Matthew and several of the Pauline Epistles.





They are trained to treat these things as unquestionable.





Half of them would claim that Satan planted those books there, some would modify certain beliefs while retaining the core ideas, others would claim that the dating of the books is false, and then claim that the dating of the Biblical books is true, while using the same scientific and literary methods for both.
There will continue to be more so called ';proof'; the Bible is false as time goes on. I am a Christian and there is no amount of your ';evidence'; that will ever convince me that God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit are not real. What do you put your faith in? How do you know it is true? What are you going to do when you have to bow your knees and confess to God that Jesus is Lord to God the Father on Judgment Day? What?
I lost all faith in the bible and any kind of a higher power about two weeks ago.





I didn't stop believing as a result of biblical contradictions, which are many, and when I was a christian, I simply dismissed them as a problem for literalists. I was never a literalist, and treated many of the biblical myths as allegories. I now believe they are complete myths.





Anyway, those christians who didn't let it harm their faith would simply ignore more contradictions or try to explain them away with weak ad hoc hypotheses, just like they do now.





Those who embrace dogma with white knuckles have very little other choice.





';If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.';


Bertrand Russell





';Against logic there is no armor like ignorance.';


Laurence J. Peter (1919 - 1988)





';The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.';


Sir William Osler (1849 - 1919)





';Truth, in matters of religion, is simply the opinion that has survived.';


Oscar Wilde





Martin Luther had several pointed quotes as to the relationship between belief in God and common sense...


';Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has:';





';Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his reason.';





';Reason should be destroyed in all Christians.';





Now that I have found my own reason, I woke up and realized that I don't believe in miracles. No God, no Devil, nothing.





I'm sure that if African Water Buffaloes had our ability to think and reason, they would wonder if there was a higher power that saved them from that pack of lions and construct in their mind not only that God, but elaborate ways to appease her and gain her protection.





That last one was mine.





El Chistoso
If you pick up a Bible to find errors you may well find what you are looking for!


But if you have faith(Spiritual faith) you can learn a lot, and see the future(Rev) when you read the Bible, compare verses with other translations to understand the truth.


Get it?


UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH
There is no chance of converting died in the wool believers, who are somehow convinced that they have access to a way to live forever. The methodology of religious indoctrination, Christian or otherwise, is now a highly refined one, and those who would swallow it all, hook, line and sinker are the percentage who just wont let it go.





There is no scientific endevour to ';disprove'; the existence of any god/gods, or in the case of your question, Jesus.


Science is not in the business of proving or disproving things, but is a method in which to quantify and understand the world around us. The plethora of information gathered to date, from many scientific disciplines, all of which are highly testable, interweave and cross refernece each other, describe the natural world/universe in a way that is highly suggestive, some would say conclusive, that deity worship groups are ultimately the result of the evolution of a questioning mind in an information vacuum, and that history shows that this method of explaining the world around us can be used for manipulation and establishing power structures.





The religious literalists feel they will always have an answer to criticism, but the arguments they put forward are childlike in their interpretation of science and the natural world, and with debating ';cop outs'; like: ';..prove god doesn't exist..'; etc, are flawed, illogical and most notably, predictable, as their narrow minded and out of date concepts and arguments are unable to change or adapt by design.





Yet science marches ever forward, being refined with each new discovery, and now tells an amazing tale that has a greater ';wow'; factor that any religion can dream up, with testable theories should anyone wish to challenge them.





Remember the bible you are familiar with was written, edited and constructed some 100 years after the date of the the crucifiction of the alleged Jesus Christ, the son of an unwed young mother, who to avoid being stoned to death, proclaimed the unborn child to be the son of god.





It's hardly a great leap of faith to comprehend this event as being credible, it's the nonsensical embellishments and denial that are the problem.
I would not say the bible is false.


It is a collection of books, written by different people and all rolled into one.


All the dead sea scrolls indicated was that the little village/monastry near where the scrolls were found could possibly have been the place where John the baptist was educated, it makes no mention of jesus.


Scientists have confirmed that the scrolls are very accurate acording to the jewish tora(the first five books in the bible), but are confused as to the existance of two solid gold scrolls found(the treasure and ledger scrolls) To this day no treasure as mentioned in the scrolls has ever been found in the locations mentioned in the gold scrolls.


If the bible were to be a book of false hoods then i think you would have a hard time prooving it, being as non christian scientists have already prooven the bible 95% accurate.


Only 3 things stand in the way of 100% authenticity,


1/ where are sodom and gamora, is there proof they ever existed?


2/ the ark of the covernent was taken out of israel into africa to safe guard it, where is it?


3/ The truth behind noahs ark, was it really possible and if so hw with the limmited technology back then, did they do it?


These are not critisisms, just 3 events portrayed in the bible that no one, even a christian or catholic can answer with certanty, without looking at or reading/quoting from the bible.
the dead sea scrolls proved the inerancy of Jesus and the bible-before that time the prophecies of Jesus in Isaiah had been discredited as being written by 2 or 3 different people, but it was found intact as one book by one Isaiah.





I have witnessed many who stand against the bible so they can make their own rules who stand in error and with muslim males that take after Mohamad in his taking Aisha a 9 year old little girl who he found as the Hadith says on a swing-at his 40 years old and took with his other wives. she wasnt wearing a veil and in todays faster maturity she would be about 6-7 years old and he would be in prison for life





the real issue is -is Islam good for people?=


Isaiah 9:6 beyond the veil ';Unto us a child will be born, a SON GIVEN, and he will be Almighty God, and the prince of peace.'; Of course rejected by the Athiests and people like you as well as the Muslim who says he believes Isaiah and Jesus-just not what is recorded-the Jewish people who as predicted reject the Messiah who would die to make atonement for their sins (Isaiah 53) tampered with the bible and put in what they reject?-Hello NO NO NO


JESUS IS MY SAVIOR AND BEST FRIEND-AND do you in your attacks against the bible defend the Shiites and Sunni Muslims as since Jan. 2006 they terrorize each other too blowing up each others mosques and dragging out people and murdering them in the streets as recorded in the New York Times. Should we pull out and let the terrorist take over that country.





the real issue with the hatred for the bible %26amp; America's bush is he married a woman which to some is homophobic behavior.








why not write your free speach Jesus gives us freedom!


If we blame for the garbage man being late to pick up garbage-we can blame God or anyone for everything in America that is done against the Jesus that says -one man for one woman in thankfulness and not in unthankfulness worshiping the created instead of the creator turned over to a reprobate mind as Romans chapter 1 says, yet 1st Corinthians 6:9-13 says and such WERE some of you but you have BEEN CLEANSED by the BLOOD OF JESUS. AND if we reject God from America as a nation-the athiests who have no set rule will make their own rules-are you ready for that-will you be ready to be arrested for being a chickenphobic for saying a man should not marry a chicken?





they who honor God recommend you to have a genuine testimony of salvation in Jesus amazing grace to make it last. Otherwise you are marrying a person while you worship someone other than God. How I got this I prayed, Jesus I am sorry for my sins-even one lie which separates me from you, come into my heart and help me, be my friend, amen.


this is recorded to happen in Jesus legal last will and testament=Revelation 3verses19%26amp;20 ';I LOVE YOU, REPENT FROM YOUR SINS AND BEHOLD I KNOCK ON YOUR HEART DOOR TO COME IN, AND HAVE FELLOWSHIP WITH YOU AND YOU WITH ME.'; John 3 repent from sin and be born again, to see the kingdom of heaven. Why not make it heavenly?





WILL be praying for you and best wishes too, David and time to see is the bible really false based on one fact-you have an arguement I have an experience along with billions that believe the bible and know Jesus as personal savior and friend-absolutely and I am glad as born a Jew I accepted it.
Question is would you accept any evidence (without bias or emotion) if you were proven wrong?





remember, if you have any bias against ther bible in any way shape or form known to man, then you are wrong, we are not talking about me or any one else, we are talking about you you you and only you, you cannot brein up any other person on this earth past or present to support reason for being bias, only you and you alone, now with that shot down would you accept evidence with out bias or emotion that the bible is the word of god, and that you have been misled, remember, if you are bias then you are wrong, remember, no emotion, no bias, if you cannot do that, then give it up.





http://www.carm.org/evidence.htm
Scala Paradisi -- the Stairway to Heaven -- describes a 4-runged ladder to Heaven, each rung being one of the four steps in method of Bible reading.





lectio (reading): ';looking on Holy Scripture with all one's will and wit';





meditatio (meditation): ';a studious insearching with the mind to know what was before concealed through desiring proper skill';





oratio (prayer): ';a devout desiring of the heart to get what is good and avoid what is evil';





contemplatio (contemplation): ';the lifting up of the heart to God tasting somewhat of the heavenly sweetness and savour';

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