Thursday, February 4, 2010

If the story in the Bible of Noah's flood is false as evidence suggests, how can anyone believe the Bible is..?

...truthful about anything?If the story in the Bible of Noah's flood is false as evidence suggests, how can anyone believe the Bible is..?
According to the creationist Bible-believing Christians, all species (or kinds--whatever), living and extinct were created at the same time and the fossil record was laid down by the biblical flood.





If that were the case, you would find fossils of the approximately 5,000 present-day species of mammals, including humans, and of the approximately 10,000 present-day species of birds, mixed in with the fossils of, for example, dinosaurs. You do not and will never find such a mixture. That is because they are separated in time by more than 60 million years and the fossil record reflects that fact. The only mammals and birds that are found in the same strata as dinosaurs are primitive types quite unlike anything that exists today (even if you consider the ';kinds'; that creationists refer to as the source of present-day mammals and birds). And you will also not find those fossils of present-day mammals and birds in the same strata with trilobites, or of numerous other early types of animals.





And that scenario even continues after the demise of the dinosaurs. There are numerous strata which show that mammals became predominate for several tens of millions of years on up to today. But the strata that was laid down during the first half of that time contains a large number of fossils of mammals quite unlike anything that exists today, and again, none of the fossils are of present-day mammals, including humans, and present-day birds. As those strata get progressively younger, you begin to see more and more fossils of mammals and birds that are similar to the present-day species. That includes hominid fossils, which are present only in the strata laid down in the past few million years. Hominid fossils are totally absent in the vast number of earlier fossil-containing strata.





Thus, if you look at the geological strata, you will find a changing representation of species through the oldest to the youngest strata, and those changes reflect an evolutionary process.





For example, in the Cambrian, you will find the initial appearance of most of the phyla, but they will be only very primitive species--none of which exist today--belonging to those phyla. You will not find one single amphibian, reptile, dinosaur, bird, mammal, or teleost fish. And as you progress through the strata you will find new forms, but still nothing like what you would find today until you get to relatively young strata. That is not what you would find if the fossil record had been laid down by a flood such as that described in the Bible. But it is what would be expected in an evolutionary scenario.





This is not a matter of interpreting things according to one's belief, as creationists usually say. It is a matter of honestly accepting the evidence for what it says. The Bible believer holds that all things must be interpreted according to the Bible. Therefore, they are are forced to be dishonest in interpreting the evidence.





The geological strata indicate an evolutionary progression. If there was no evolutionary progression, but all species (or kinds, whatever) had been created at the same time, then there would be no evolutionary progression in the strata. That is fact.





A flood such as described in the Bible would not leave stratified deposits on the tops of mountains. The material forming deposits would flow down the sides of the mountains. The same for marine fossil deposits. How would the shells of clams end up on the tops of mountains, even Mount Everest? Clams couldn't swim to the tops of the mountains, nor could they climb up the sides of mountains.





Plate tectonics explains why sea shells and other marine deposits are found on mountain tops. Sections, or plates, of the earth's crust are constantly moving, albeit very slowly, about an inch or so per year. This movement has been measured with scientific instruments and has been tracked in the analysis of paleomagnetism and other means. In areas where one plate impinges upon another, the movement forces the earth's crust to uplift, which is what causes mountains to build up over millions of years. If the area that was uplifted was originally a part of the sea floor, then any sea shells and other marine fossil deposits would be uplifted during the mountain building as well.





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http://www.doeacckolkata.in/Piyali-geogr鈥?/a>If the story in the Bible of Noah's flood is false as evidence suggests, how can anyone believe the Bible is..?
The flood definately happened. The US Air Force took pictures in the 1950's of an object on top of Mt. Ararat that could not be explained. The concern was that it was a Russian missile base, but upon further examination it was determined that it was most likely Noah's Ark. The Sphinx shows signs of water damage consistent with it being completely submerged. 'Dinosaurs' are the sea monsters mentioned in Genesis. Fossils compressed into rock are only possible if they were made so by being under immense pressure, and a flood is the only way they would be preserved at the surface. The Grand Canyon was obviously not made by a river over 'millions of years' (insufficient quantities of moondust on the surface of the moon indicates it is nowhere near that old), thus it had to be from an entire ocean draining off the continent and carving the canyon into the soft rock of that area.


The Flood was a real event.





Many prophecies have already been fulfilled precisely as they were written hundreds and even thousands of years before the events themselves, and many of those events are also recorded in secular historical accounts from a variety of countries; the campaigns of Alexander the Great, Antiochus, Nero and Hitler, for instance, all real events and prophecied long before they actually occurred.





Christ is a real person and He is the Son of God.


Believe and be saved.
Because they want to, indoctrinated into or forced into believing that it's objectively true.





@ Hiram: Evidence such as...?





@ Wayne T: There's no evidence that there isn't an orbiting teapot around Earth. However, that does not mean there IS a teapot orbiting Earth.





@ Spurgeon: Please take a geology class.





@ Exodiafinder, Ftwasher: What objective evidence do you have that they're true?
What false evidence? No need to falsify anything when there is already plenty of proof that it happened. If you want to continue disbelieving, don't click on these links - http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah-index.h鈥?/a>





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Your question is wrong. There is massive evidence for a worldwide/global flood.





Why do you think we find marine animal fossils on top of mountains?
I believe the story of Noah's Ark. I think that is what killed the Dinosaurs. He could not get them in the Ark. I believe possibly the water covered the region where those people lived but maybe not the entire earth.
Actually, the bible says the flood was in all the known lands of the people.... there WAS a giant flood in the majority of the middle east. So it is extreamly possible that was it.
I have not seen any evidence that it is false. Nearly every culture in the world has a legend of a great flood. There must be a reason for that.
1/3 of the Bible is prophecy, and 2/3 of that prophecy has happened


Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies


miracles happen


lives are changed


prayers are answered
The irrationality of a thing is not an argument of its existence, rather, a condition of it.





Friedrich Nietzsche
What evidence are you refering to? All the Discovery channel shows I've seen state the contrary. Get cable! Expand your mind!
I like to make claims without asserting my evidence too.





Look, I'm a unicorn!
As far as I can see the evidence points to a global flood. IN fact it screams global flood.
What evidence?
One of the truly great mysteries of our time.
well, the Bible is religious and not a science book. there are metaphors that might require you to use head.
Well without faith your just bashing cymbals
What evidence shows that the flood is false?
Its in the Torah and Koran as well so it must be true
Umm, what proof are you talking about, there is proof there WAS a flood..... go in peace.... God bless
How about the evidence against talking snakes, people living for hundreds of years, etc.





Don't know why anyone would take it seriously, but they keep finding ways to justify it.

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