Does an alibi amounts to false testimony if the judge rules in favour of circumstantial evidences against the accused? If the circumstantial evidence that is presented against the accused is true, then it follows that the alibi must be false and hence indictable of false testimony. However, a circumstantial evidence is inconclusive in nature, and it opens the possibility that the judgement might be wrong. In any case, is the alibi giver liable to be charged with false testimony because the judge rules that the accused is guilty on the premise of circumstantial evidence?Does an alibi amounts to false testimony if the judge rules in favour of circumstantial evidences?
It doesn't matter which type evidence resulted in a conviction. If the defendant is convicted, it's possible for the alibi witness to be charged with perjury.
That usually only happens, though, if the alibi witness is involved in the criminal conspiracy. S/he was paid to give false testimony, for example.
Most often, the alibi witness is simply mistaken, so perjury charges are rare.Does an alibi amounts to false testimony if the judge rules in favour of circumstantial evidences?
WHAT ARE YOU studying law or a student in a law school? I should say no to the fact that alibi amounts to false testimony if the judge rules in favor of circumstantial evidence. An alibi is defined as
1: the plea of having been at the time of the commission of an act elsewhere than at the place of commission ; also : the fact or state of having been elsewhere at the time
2: an excuse usually intended to avert blame or punishment (as for failure or negligence).
Everybody is free to state whatever or wherever she or he maybe at the time of the commission of the crime. That is her or his rights to do so. Now you are questioning if her or his alibi is true or not defends on the evidence presented in court or eye witnesses on the case. If the judge rules in favor of circumstantial evidence against the accused therefore the circumstantial evidence out weights her or his alibi in court. Yes circumstantial evidence is inconclusive in some aspect but not all the time. There are certain cases that the judge rules in favor of circumstantial evidence. But this are rare in some cases.
I should say no the alibi giver is NOT liable to be charged with false testimony because the judge rules that the accused is guilty on the premise of circumstantial evidence on the ground that he or she is already charge with the appropriate crime. So what is the point of charging the accuse of perjury or the voluntary violation of an oath or vow either by swearing to what is untrue or by omission to do what has been promised under oath : false swearing when the person is about to go to jail for the crime itself. The court is after the evidence presented in court not the alibi.
Monday, February 8, 2010
Was the holocaust really false & if it was what are the evidences for it?
Are you kidding? The Nazi's themselves took video of it. They took pictures of the lamp shades made of human skin, of the camps, of the creamatoriums.
When the camps were found out, Eisenhower knew people would not believe it so both American, British and Russian film crews were on hand to film it.
The Nazi's left a paper trail about the holocaust a mile long. People who say it didn't happen are fools and are trying to rewrite history.
It happened. It was real.
The evidence is the fact that there are bodies piled up when the Nazi camps were over run. That the paperwork from the Wansee conference is still around and has Hitlers signature. That the guards who worked there admit they worked there. That the people at the Nuremburg trial said it happened.
There is not evidence that it DIDN'T happen because it did.Was the holocaust really false %26amp; if it was what are the evidences for it?
It was a real event. The old death camps were left standing as a reminder--my sister's friend visited Auschwitz in 1980. Besides that, the Nazis left impeccable written and photographic records. Finally, anyone who was in the camps (though they are now old, many are still living) has a number tattooed on their forearm....if you ever meet someone with a number tattoo, ask THEM if the Holocaust was made up.Was the holocaust really false %26amp; if it was what are the evidences for it?
The Holocaust was NOT false.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ho鈥?/a>
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lan鈥?/a>
Sadly there are a lot of uneducated redneck racist backward people around trying to spread false lies about this horrific period in history.
Maybe you should seek out some of the Holocaust survivors and talk to them. Or maybe you should seek out some of the Americans and English army guys who went into the camps to liberate the survivors and saw the first hand evidence of the death gas chambers.
There are hundreds of documented cases that show the truth of the Holocaust.
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You cannot prove a negative, but there is as much proof of the positive as there is for the landing of the Mayflower. Even if it were not for the accounts of the allies who liberated the camps, the accounts of the few who survived, and the buildings that survived, how do you explain to the nieces and nephews what happened to their disappeared uncles and aunts?
If you visit Germany, Poland etc. the gashouses are still standing. They left them up so that it wouldn't be repeated.
historians believe it happened , although if they were wrong it could have been a famine.
No... the Holocaust was NOT false..
When the camps were found out, Eisenhower knew people would not believe it so both American, British and Russian film crews were on hand to film it.
The Nazi's left a paper trail about the holocaust a mile long. People who say it didn't happen are fools and are trying to rewrite history.
It happened. It was real.
The evidence is the fact that there are bodies piled up when the Nazi camps were over run. That the paperwork from the Wansee conference is still around and has Hitlers signature. That the guards who worked there admit they worked there. That the people at the Nuremburg trial said it happened.
There is not evidence that it DIDN'T happen because it did.Was the holocaust really false %26amp; if it was what are the evidences for it?
It was a real event. The old death camps were left standing as a reminder--my sister's friend visited Auschwitz in 1980. Besides that, the Nazis left impeccable written and photographic records. Finally, anyone who was in the camps (though they are now old, many are still living) has a number tattooed on their forearm....if you ever meet someone with a number tattoo, ask THEM if the Holocaust was made up.Was the holocaust really false %26amp; if it was what are the evidences for it?
The Holocaust was NOT false.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ho鈥?/a>
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lan鈥?/a>
Sadly there are a lot of uneducated redneck racist backward people around trying to spread false lies about this horrific period in history.
Maybe you should seek out some of the Holocaust survivors and talk to them. Or maybe you should seek out some of the Americans and English army guys who went into the camps to liberate the survivors and saw the first hand evidence of the death gas chambers.
There are hundreds of documented cases that show the truth of the Holocaust.
.
You cannot prove a negative, but there is as much proof of the positive as there is for the landing of the Mayflower. Even if it were not for the accounts of the allies who liberated the camps, the accounts of the few who survived, and the buildings that survived, how do you explain to the nieces and nephews what happened to their disappeared uncles and aunts?
If you visit Germany, Poland etc. the gashouses are still standing. They left them up so that it wouldn't be repeated.
historians believe it happened , although if they were wrong it could have been a famine.
No... the Holocaust was NOT false..
If God didn't want us to have false religions, why didn't he make a religion that has evidence it must be true?
Please do not start saying your religion is right and everything is right about it because you believe so. Think about it. Every religion out there is the same and they all claim to be the words of God, but they can't all be! Why wouldn't God make a way where we can know which religion has to be right sense there is no solid evidence any religion has to be completely right? How are we supposed to know? That's like giving us 3 cups and saying one has a ball but if you pick the wrong one you will burn forever. You cant' see through the cups but whatever cup you put your hand out to is the one you take and put all your faith in it's the right one. Everyone else has a different cup and has just as much faith as you do, so what's the difference? Why would God give us his words when it would be mixed with so many it would get confused and mislead? Why would he punish us for worshiping false God's when no matter how much faith you have, there is no way of 100% knowing which religion is right sense they are all written by man and most likely made by man?If God didn't want us to have false religions, why didn't he make a religion that has evidence it must be true?
Not all religions can be right, as they are so blatantly different on essential elements.
But they can all be wrong.If God didn't want us to have false religions, why didn't he make a religion that has evidence it must be true?
Your question is based on some presumptions which do not bear testimony to the facts.Why you think God would want us to follow a religion,a true one?Why can't we follow Him directly?Many saints have always believed that God has no religion or an affinity to any religion.Also,the very fact that God didn't give us the markers to test and find a true religion, is an indicator that He didn't want us to follow any.Rest all is the matter of conjecture.
Confused?
';Thou shalt worship no other Gods before me';
Does not apply to 'false religions' only.
An example of a false God is money. When a person values money more than God they are worshiping a false God.
God probably giggles at all the different religions because the ones where people do have faith, no matter which one, all lead to the same God.
to make something inevitably true would make it a law, and therefore removes all freedom. if God made it to where we had no choice there would be even more rebellion and ignorance and you would complain even more. (that was Lucipher's predicament)
Take gravity for example.....not too many people challenging that law because we are enslaved by it without the choice.....;^)
islam has evidience it is the true religion from God.
http://www.tubeislam.com/video/1568/Finn鈥?/a>
http://www.tubeislam.com/video/7354/HQ-T鈥?/a>
http://www.tubeislam.com/video/4066/Anci鈥?/a>
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/
i think all the world's religions were meant to be. people were meant to have different beliefs, world views and the like.and no god does not punish you for falling into the wrong belief.
There has been god worshipping since the first homo-sapiens walked the earth. All religion was born out of fear of the unknown. This is an undisputable fact.
Because it's funnier this way.
Religion is man made and so is God being made by man in these generations as to what they think what and how God should be.
It is never written in any Sacred Book that claims as inspired by God that says we have to put up a religion under any name.
Ignorance, greed for power, wealth and authority compelled man to form an organization in the name of his God for his diabolical purpose of controlling the world for his own gain.
Just wait for the time that will be coming when the real God will put an end to all these atrocities.
All religions teach people that they should love God / Allah / Jehovah / first, and secondly, love our fellow man caring about people as you care about yourself.
All the religions are based first on the love of the Supreme Being, or whatever people call the Creator, and secondly on caring about others, especially the sick, the poor and those who are the weakest members of society.
The differences between religions are the peripherals in the same way as all languages express feelings and relationships but use different words and grammar.
He did .... Christianity.
Study the life of Jesus, read about Him in the Gospels written by eye witnesses. There has never been, and never will be anyone who is as good, holy and unselfishly loving as Him.
Compare the behaviour and teaching of Jesus to all the other gurus, self-proclaimed prophets and so-called holy men/women who have started other religions. There is no comparison, to any sensible person these others are obviously all bogus, fraudulent, pretenders.
Look in the real world.
Decode this lyrics '; You'll see';
';Wonderful world';
';Pride and Prejudice';
Did anyone ever search for the missing key to unlock the mystery in time?
Did any hear-say of the dead Mummy from the twilight zone from the Book of the Dead ever tell us about the missing key in time?
Did anyone ever read the Book themselves in time?
Who should we kick on the butts then?
Luke 21.30-36
Luke 9.25,55-56,60
Luke 24.44-45,47-48
Revelation 22.13-17
What do you think?
He gives us plenty of evidence. We just find other places to put that evidence, create new theories to explain it away. Look at evolution, or the Big Bang, or pretty much anything. We either state something didn't happen (using the difference in time invalidate it) or we explain it away using some shaky theory.
So, it's true, I suppose, that Christianity is on just as shaky ground, but only because you refuse to believe the ground is firm.
The difference between Christianity and every other religion is love. Our God loves us and wants the best for us (don't look to Christians as evidence for this, as we are human and often make mistakes). Also, Christians nearly 100 times out of a 100 have a firm knowledge of God. Sometimes it's a feeling... no, not a feeling, a... knowing inside them, that God is there. Sometimes it's that they can actually feel God. Sometimes it's something God did in their lives.
In the end, there is no way I (or anyone else) will be able to convince you here, in a YA answer, that God is real, without you wanting to be convinced. I'm not saying you should want to be convinced (although I think you should, obviously, being a Christian), but everything I have said you can explain away. Just another example of humans doing everything they can to push God away.
...and the people began to forget those signs and wonders which they had heard, and began to be less and less astonished at a sign or a wonder from heaven, insomuch that they began to be hard in their hearts, and blind in their minds, and began to disbelieve all which they had heard and seen.
2 - Imagining up some vain thing in their hearts, that it was wrought by men and by the power of the devil, to lead away and deceive the hearts of the people; and thus did Satan get possession of the hearts of the people again, insomuch that he did blind their eyes and lead them away to believe that the doctrine of Christ was a foolish and a vain thing.
3 - And it came to pass that the people began to wax strong in wickedness and abominations; and they did not believe that there should be any more signs or wonders given; and Satan did go about, leading away the hearts of the people, tempting them and causing them that they should do great wickedness in the land.
Actually God knew that mankind would twist and misunderstand His revelations previously sent in this era. They would create dogmas and using these ideas then create prejudice, separation and hate.
But at the end of an era (now) the prophecy is that ';Knowledge would increase';. And it certainly has. Science has unveiled mysteries that previously were used as a basis for superstitions.
Alternative medicine unravels the connections between mind and body.
You bring valid points above and yet there is still another step which can be taken to solve the issues.
There is a last 'Seal' or Message of God which solves all the confusion between religions and even within religions. But it takes a mind which can open to new ideas and ways of seeing a bigger picture.
If a person is only attached to 'their' way of thinking and 'their' belief system, then they are stuck. Not a whole lot can be done about that except to present the truth and maybe they will see it from another perspective.
There is a much better way to see how all religions (Truth of them) actually fit together to form One Path. No person needs to compete or fight with another faith when they are all parts of One Plan.
It is like the different organs in One Body trying to fight each other for dominance instead of working together for health. Each are necessary and yet perform and different and unique function.
The same for the religions! How brilliant is that!!!
see for yourself: www.maitreya.org
His Holy Living Word and Law is 100% Truth, this is the only thing Christians should adhere to, He commands us ALL, not some to seek the Truth, lest ye be decieved, but ironically enough MANY refuse??? they will ';take their chances'; with relying soley on their clergy or someone else, WOW...even the most well intentioned person can flial miserably or purposely decieve for they are on the ';other side';...appearing only as God's messenger when in fact their intentions are to decieve, satan has to use fellow humans, agreed? We have the Loving Warning to Seek the Truth, we MUST do our part, it is obeying and pleasing Him, agreed? There is Alot at stake, agreed? if you compare Scripture with Scripture (Daniel/Revelations) ';she'; the RCC has caused the whole world/ALL nations to be drunk in her fornications, by spreading pagan/heathen doctrine, traditions and rituals to ALL, not some, ALL have been affected.....this is ';how'; the false religions began...amazingfacts.org...God Bless and Happy Sabbath
The Bible has NOT been translated correctly. If God had picked Lucifer's plan for us then you would get what your asking in your question but then we would lose our free agency. God does not punish anyone for anything.
We have the choices through life. Yes some will be right and others wrong but, thats why Jesus came to atone for our sins and proved resurrection. In the preexistence you fought for Jesus's plan of free agency. It's too late to change now. Thats why there are so many religions and churches is because of misinterpretations, false prophets, etc. which you can thank satan for, not rip in to God.
The reason why Muslims believe the Quran is the true Word of God
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Allah sent his Messengers and His revelations to guide the whole humanity to the one true path. Each of the Messengers were given mu'jizat to prove that they were sent by the true Creator of this world. The mu'jizat given to them is the miracles to weaken the faith rejectors' arguments. Some of the mu'jizat given to the Prophets were Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) a.s. was untouched by the fire, Prophet Isa (Jesus) a.s. brought dead people to life, Prophet Musa (Moses) a.s. with his stick, Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. split the moon etc. But their miracles can be refuted in this modern time since we were not there to be the eye witnesses and we can always say the historical records are just fabrications without proofs.
This is the reason why the biggest mu'jizat of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. is the Quran which is protected and can be used to justify the existence of Allah and thus the validity of Islam as the one true religion. And we can still see Quran around us and it can be available everywhere in this world so that all mankind can witness the mu'jizat and will be held responsible in the Hereafter if they reject the faith.
We Muslims believe that Islam is the one true religion and Quran is the word of God. Quran is the proof of Islam as the true religion. Can anyone 1400 years ago wrote this kind of Book?
The word ';land'; appears 13 times in the Qur'an and the word ';sea'; 32 times, giving a total of 45 references. If we divide that number by that of the number of references to the land we arrive at the figure 28.888888888889%. The number of total references to land and sea, 45, divided by the number of references to the sea in the Qur'an, 32, is 71.111111111111%. Extraordinarily, these figures represent the exact proportions of land and sea on the Earth today.
';Day (yawm)'; is repeated 365 times in singular form, while its plural and dual forms ';days (ayyam and yawmayn)'; together are repeated 30 times. The number of repetitions of the word ';month'; (shahar) is 12.
';Moon'; is mentioned 28 times, exactly as the number of times and phases it appears to earth.
';And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it'; (Quran 51:47)
Universe in in constant motion and it is expanding (Alexander Friedmmann, Georges Lemaitre, Edwin Hubble)
';Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder, and We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?'; (Quran, 21:30)
The Big Bang
';By the sky full of paths and orbits.'; (Quran 51:7)
The entire universe is full of paths and orbits.
';We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs.'; (Quran, 21:32)
The atmosphere and Van Allen Belts
';By Heaven with its cyclical systems.'; (Quran 86:11)
';Returning'; function of the sky (condensed water-rains, reflects radiation and UV ray, reflects radio waves broadcast etc)
';Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days, He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate.'; (Quran 41:12)
Seven layers of atmosphere and their specific functions.
';... And We sent down iron...'; (Quran 57:25)
Iron can only be produced in much bigger stars than the Sun, where the temperature reaches a few hundred million degrees and was sent down to Earth physically.
';Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs: from what the earth produces and from themselves and from things unknown to them.'; (Quran 36:36)
Matter and Anti-Matter (Paul Dirac)
';It is He who sends down water in due measure from the sky...'; (Quran 43:11)
Rain keeps falling every year in exactly in the same quantity (513 trillion tons/year) just as revealed in the Quran.
';He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through.'; (Quran 55:19-20)
The surface tension between Atlantic Ocean and Mediterranean Sea.
';Or (the unbelievers' state) are like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds, layers of darkness, one upon the other. If he puts out his hand, he can scarcely see it. Those God gives no light to, they have no light.'; (Quran 24:40)
Darkness in the seas (below 200m) and internal waves inside the sea.
';... a lying, sinful forelock.'; (Quran 96:16)
The prefrontal area, which is responsible for the management of particular functions of the brain, lies in the frontal part of the skull.
';He has created both sexes, male and female from a drop of semen which has been ejected.'; (53:45-6)
Gender is determined by the sperm cells from the male, and that the female has no role in this process.
';Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.'; (Quran 75:3-4)
Everyone, including identical twins has a unique fingerprint.
Feel free to download this free Ebook to explore more about the miracles in Quran:
http://tr1.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRF鈥?/a>
Islam is the true religion and it was followed by Ibraham, Ismael, Ishaac,Yacob and the descendants. God revealed the Noble Quran in the 7th century and reinforced it with proofs and evidence. Reserach
';Scientific miracles'; in the Quran.
Quran 41:53
God says:
';We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and in their own souls, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?';
Not all religions can be right, as they are so blatantly different on essential elements.
But they can all be wrong.If God didn't want us to have false religions, why didn't he make a religion that has evidence it must be true?
Your question is based on some presumptions which do not bear testimony to the facts.Why you think God would want us to follow a religion,a true one?Why can't we follow Him directly?Many saints have always believed that God has no religion or an affinity to any religion.Also,the very fact that God didn't give us the markers to test and find a true religion, is an indicator that He didn't want us to follow any.Rest all is the matter of conjecture.
Confused?
';Thou shalt worship no other Gods before me';
Does not apply to 'false religions' only.
An example of a false God is money. When a person values money more than God they are worshiping a false God.
God probably giggles at all the different religions because the ones where people do have faith, no matter which one, all lead to the same God.
to make something inevitably true would make it a law, and therefore removes all freedom. if God made it to where we had no choice there would be even more rebellion and ignorance and you would complain even more. (that was Lucipher's predicament)
Take gravity for example.....not too many people challenging that law because we are enslaved by it without the choice.....;^)
islam has evidience it is the true religion from God.
http://www.tubeislam.com/video/1568/Finn鈥?/a>
http://www.tubeislam.com/video/7354/HQ-T鈥?/a>
http://www.tubeislam.com/video/4066/Anci鈥?/a>
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/
i think all the world's religions were meant to be. people were meant to have different beliefs, world views and the like.and no god does not punish you for falling into the wrong belief.
There has been god worshipping since the first homo-sapiens walked the earth. All religion was born out of fear of the unknown. This is an undisputable fact.
Because it's funnier this way.
Religion is man made and so is God being made by man in these generations as to what they think what and how God should be.
It is never written in any Sacred Book that claims as inspired by God that says we have to put up a religion under any name.
Ignorance, greed for power, wealth and authority compelled man to form an organization in the name of his God for his diabolical purpose of controlling the world for his own gain.
Just wait for the time that will be coming when the real God will put an end to all these atrocities.
All religions teach people that they should love God / Allah / Jehovah / first, and secondly, love our fellow man caring about people as you care about yourself.
All the religions are based first on the love of the Supreme Being, or whatever people call the Creator, and secondly on caring about others, especially the sick, the poor and those who are the weakest members of society.
The differences between religions are the peripherals in the same way as all languages express feelings and relationships but use different words and grammar.
He did .... Christianity.
Study the life of Jesus, read about Him in the Gospels written by eye witnesses. There has never been, and never will be anyone who is as good, holy and unselfishly loving as Him.
Compare the behaviour and teaching of Jesus to all the other gurus, self-proclaimed prophets and so-called holy men/women who have started other religions. There is no comparison, to any sensible person these others are obviously all bogus, fraudulent, pretenders.
Look in the real world.
Decode this lyrics '; You'll see';
';Wonderful world';
';Pride and Prejudice';
Did anyone ever search for the missing key to unlock the mystery in time?
Did any hear-say of the dead Mummy from the twilight zone from the Book of the Dead ever tell us about the missing key in time?
Did anyone ever read the Book themselves in time?
Who should we kick on the butts then?
Luke 21.30-36
Luke 9.25,55-56,60
Luke 24.44-45,47-48
Revelation 22.13-17
What do you think?
He gives us plenty of evidence. We just find other places to put that evidence, create new theories to explain it away. Look at evolution, or the Big Bang, or pretty much anything. We either state something didn't happen (using the difference in time invalidate it) or we explain it away using some shaky theory.
So, it's true, I suppose, that Christianity is on just as shaky ground, but only because you refuse to believe the ground is firm.
The difference between Christianity and every other religion is love. Our God loves us and wants the best for us (don't look to Christians as evidence for this, as we are human and often make mistakes). Also, Christians nearly 100 times out of a 100 have a firm knowledge of God. Sometimes it's a feeling... no, not a feeling, a... knowing inside them, that God is there. Sometimes it's that they can actually feel God. Sometimes it's something God did in their lives.
In the end, there is no way I (or anyone else) will be able to convince you here, in a YA answer, that God is real, without you wanting to be convinced. I'm not saying you should want to be convinced (although I think you should, obviously, being a Christian), but everything I have said you can explain away. Just another example of humans doing everything they can to push God away.
...and the people began to forget those signs and wonders which they had heard, and began to be less and less astonished at a sign or a wonder from heaven, insomuch that they began to be hard in their hearts, and blind in their minds, and began to disbelieve all which they had heard and seen.
2 - Imagining up some vain thing in their hearts, that it was wrought by men and by the power of the devil, to lead away and deceive the hearts of the people; and thus did Satan get possession of the hearts of the people again, insomuch that he did blind their eyes and lead them away to believe that the doctrine of Christ was a foolish and a vain thing.
3 - And it came to pass that the people began to wax strong in wickedness and abominations; and they did not believe that there should be any more signs or wonders given; and Satan did go about, leading away the hearts of the people, tempting them and causing them that they should do great wickedness in the land.
Actually God knew that mankind would twist and misunderstand His revelations previously sent in this era. They would create dogmas and using these ideas then create prejudice, separation and hate.
But at the end of an era (now) the prophecy is that ';Knowledge would increase';. And it certainly has. Science has unveiled mysteries that previously were used as a basis for superstitions.
Alternative medicine unravels the connections between mind and body.
You bring valid points above and yet there is still another step which can be taken to solve the issues.
There is a last 'Seal' or Message of God which solves all the confusion between religions and even within religions. But it takes a mind which can open to new ideas and ways of seeing a bigger picture.
If a person is only attached to 'their' way of thinking and 'their' belief system, then they are stuck. Not a whole lot can be done about that except to present the truth and maybe they will see it from another perspective.
There is a much better way to see how all religions (Truth of them) actually fit together to form One Path. No person needs to compete or fight with another faith when they are all parts of One Plan.
It is like the different organs in One Body trying to fight each other for dominance instead of working together for health. Each are necessary and yet perform and different and unique function.
The same for the religions! How brilliant is that!!!
see for yourself: www.maitreya.org
His Holy Living Word and Law is 100% Truth, this is the only thing Christians should adhere to, He commands us ALL, not some to seek the Truth, lest ye be decieved, but ironically enough MANY refuse??? they will ';take their chances'; with relying soley on their clergy or someone else, WOW...even the most well intentioned person can flial miserably or purposely decieve for they are on the ';other side';...appearing only as God's messenger when in fact their intentions are to decieve, satan has to use fellow humans, agreed? We have the Loving Warning to Seek the Truth, we MUST do our part, it is obeying and pleasing Him, agreed? There is Alot at stake, agreed? if you compare Scripture with Scripture (Daniel/Revelations) ';she'; the RCC has caused the whole world/ALL nations to be drunk in her fornications, by spreading pagan/heathen doctrine, traditions and rituals to ALL, not some, ALL have been affected.....this is ';how'; the false religions began...amazingfacts.org...God Bless and Happy Sabbath
The Bible has NOT been translated correctly. If God had picked Lucifer's plan for us then you would get what your asking in your question but then we would lose our free agency. God does not punish anyone for anything.
We have the choices through life. Yes some will be right and others wrong but, thats why Jesus came to atone for our sins and proved resurrection. In the preexistence you fought for Jesus's plan of free agency. It's too late to change now. Thats why there are so many religions and churches is because of misinterpretations, false prophets, etc. which you can thank satan for, not rip in to God.
The reason why Muslims believe the Quran is the true Word of God
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Allah sent his Messengers and His revelations to guide the whole humanity to the one true path. Each of the Messengers were given mu'jizat to prove that they were sent by the true Creator of this world. The mu'jizat given to them is the miracles to weaken the faith rejectors' arguments. Some of the mu'jizat given to the Prophets were Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) a.s. was untouched by the fire, Prophet Isa (Jesus) a.s. brought dead people to life, Prophet Musa (Moses) a.s. with his stick, Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. split the moon etc. But their miracles can be refuted in this modern time since we were not there to be the eye witnesses and we can always say the historical records are just fabrications without proofs.
This is the reason why the biggest mu'jizat of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. is the Quran which is protected and can be used to justify the existence of Allah and thus the validity of Islam as the one true religion. And we can still see Quran around us and it can be available everywhere in this world so that all mankind can witness the mu'jizat and will be held responsible in the Hereafter if they reject the faith.
We Muslims believe that Islam is the one true religion and Quran is the word of God. Quran is the proof of Islam as the true religion. Can anyone 1400 years ago wrote this kind of Book?
The word ';land'; appears 13 times in the Qur'an and the word ';sea'; 32 times, giving a total of 45 references. If we divide that number by that of the number of references to the land we arrive at the figure 28.888888888889%. The number of total references to land and sea, 45, divided by the number of references to the sea in the Qur'an, 32, is 71.111111111111%. Extraordinarily, these figures represent the exact proportions of land and sea on the Earth today.
';Day (yawm)'; is repeated 365 times in singular form, while its plural and dual forms ';days (ayyam and yawmayn)'; together are repeated 30 times. The number of repetitions of the word ';month'; (shahar) is 12.
';Moon'; is mentioned 28 times, exactly as the number of times and phases it appears to earth.
';And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it'; (Quran 51:47)
Universe in in constant motion and it is expanding (Alexander Friedmmann, Georges Lemaitre, Edwin Hubble)
';Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder, and We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?'; (Quran, 21:30)
The Big Bang
';By the sky full of paths and orbits.'; (Quran 51:7)
The entire universe is full of paths and orbits.
';We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs.'; (Quran, 21:32)
The atmosphere and Van Allen Belts
';By Heaven with its cyclical systems.'; (Quran 86:11)
';Returning'; function of the sky (condensed water-rains, reflects radiation and UV ray, reflects radio waves broadcast etc)
';Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days, He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate.'; (Quran 41:12)
Seven layers of atmosphere and their specific functions.
';... And We sent down iron...'; (Quran 57:25)
Iron can only be produced in much bigger stars than the Sun, where the temperature reaches a few hundred million degrees and was sent down to Earth physically.
';Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs: from what the earth produces and from themselves and from things unknown to them.'; (Quran 36:36)
Matter and Anti-Matter (Paul Dirac)
';It is He who sends down water in due measure from the sky...'; (Quran 43:11)
Rain keeps falling every year in exactly in the same quantity (513 trillion tons/year) just as revealed in the Quran.
';He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through.'; (Quran 55:19-20)
The surface tension between Atlantic Ocean and Mediterranean Sea.
';Or (the unbelievers' state) are like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds, layers of darkness, one upon the other. If he puts out his hand, he can scarcely see it. Those God gives no light to, they have no light.'; (Quran 24:40)
Darkness in the seas (below 200m) and internal waves inside the sea.
';... a lying, sinful forelock.'; (Quran 96:16)
The prefrontal area, which is responsible for the management of particular functions of the brain, lies in the frontal part of the skull.
';He has created both sexes, male and female from a drop of semen which has been ejected.'; (53:45-6)
Gender is determined by the sperm cells from the male, and that the female has no role in this process.
';Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.'; (Quran 75:3-4)
Everyone, including identical twins has a unique fingerprint.
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Islam is the true religion and it was followed by Ibraham, Ismael, Ishaac,Yacob and the descendants. God revealed the Noble Quran in the 7th century and reinforced it with proofs and evidence. Reserach
';Scientific miracles'; in the Quran.
Quran 41:53
God says:
';We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and in their own souls, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?';
Is there any real hard-core evidence to suggest that Jesus is real and other Gods are false?
There's no evidence that there are any deities
But there is evidence that a MAN called Jesus/Yeshua did exist: Tacitus, Lucian, Pliny, Celsus, Suetonius, Thallus and even the Jewish Talmud
Fundamental atheists won't accept this, but they are as opened minded as Young Earthers. But they will believe the most illogical story that Peter %26amp; Paul concocted the whole thing, for which they were executed. Christians were being killed for their faith not 30 years after Jesus' crucifixion 1400 miles away in Rome
People have been contesting Jesus' divinity for millenia, but only in the last 2 centuries have a few people questioned His existence and not particularly well
EDIT: It is likely that douments which confirm the existence of a man called Jesus/Yesuha were supressed by the very people who have benefited from making Him divine
The whole Titus Flavius Josephus 'deal' has not been proved to be a forgery, if youre really interested watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I93OLYzew鈥?/a>Is there any real hard-core evidence to suggest that Jesus is real and other Gods are false?
Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies, such as when and where the Messiah would be born and when and how the Messiah would die.
Jesus also said that he would prove he is God in human form by his resurrection from the dead. There were over 500 people who saw Jesus physically alive after his resurrection from the dead.
The New Testament was written during the life times of those who were alive during the 3 years of Jesus' ministry. There were no eyewitnesses at that time claiming that Jesus was not real or that Jesus did not performed miracles.Is there any real hard-core evidence to suggest that Jesus is real and other Gods are false?
Two important things:
Zeus has no historical and non-theologic evidence that he walked the earth, Jesus does.
About the prophecy thing. Only the Christian God has provided the prophecy to be fulfilled centuries in advance. Look up the biblical prophecies on the city of TYRE if you would like a real world example. No other myths, as you call them, deliver like that does.
No. There's no unmistakable evidence to suggest any of them are real.
No hard evidence.
I think, strength, influence and richness of Christians may lie behind this suggestion.
Trust me, if I've seen it, I would have sent it too you already.
No there isn't.
Of course there isn't.
only thing they have as proof is bible , which is a bull $.hit
If your faith is strong enough you can believe anything. 鈫戔啈鈫?br>
It doesn't need to be true.
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I'm not sure where SundayLunch is getting his information, but I have been familiar with Tacitus' reference to Jesus Christ for years, and it is one of the most obvious forgeries in the whole of classical literature. If you know anything about Tacitus that half-sentence sticks out the way that a couple bars of Britney Spears would in a Sonic Youth video.
Maybe the Church only tampered with a classical text that once (after all, the Christians only had around fourteen hundred years to insert messages favourable to themselves in genuine Roman texts). This seems likely: Christians have always been spectacularly honest and trustworthy folk (as they still are).
Suetonius does not refer to anybody called Christ living in Palestine in the early years of the first century. Suetonius refers to somebody called Chrestus (a common name among Greek metics) living in Rome around 100 AD.
Pliny the younger talks about Christianity as one of several cult religions causing problems in Rome towards the end of the first century.
And so on .....
yes
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you
But there is evidence that a MAN called Jesus/Yeshua did exist: Tacitus, Lucian, Pliny, Celsus, Suetonius, Thallus and even the Jewish Talmud
Fundamental atheists won't accept this, but they are as opened minded as Young Earthers. But they will believe the most illogical story that Peter %26amp; Paul concocted the whole thing, for which they were executed. Christians were being killed for their faith not 30 years after Jesus' crucifixion 1400 miles away in Rome
People have been contesting Jesus' divinity for millenia, but only in the last 2 centuries have a few people questioned His existence and not particularly well
EDIT: It is likely that douments which confirm the existence of a man called Jesus/Yesuha were supressed by the very people who have benefited from making Him divine
The whole Titus Flavius Josephus 'deal' has not been proved to be a forgery, if youre really interested watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I93OLYzew鈥?/a>Is there any real hard-core evidence to suggest that Jesus is real and other Gods are false?
Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies, such as when and where the Messiah would be born and when and how the Messiah would die.
Jesus also said that he would prove he is God in human form by his resurrection from the dead. There were over 500 people who saw Jesus physically alive after his resurrection from the dead.
The New Testament was written during the life times of those who were alive during the 3 years of Jesus' ministry. There were no eyewitnesses at that time claiming that Jesus was not real or that Jesus did not performed miracles.Is there any real hard-core evidence to suggest that Jesus is real and other Gods are false?
Two important things:
Zeus has no historical and non-theologic evidence that he walked the earth, Jesus does.
About the prophecy thing. Only the Christian God has provided the prophecy to be fulfilled centuries in advance. Look up the biblical prophecies on the city of TYRE if you would like a real world example. No other myths, as you call them, deliver like that does.
No. There's no unmistakable evidence to suggest any of them are real.
No hard evidence.
I think, strength, influence and richness of Christians may lie behind this suggestion.
Trust me, if I've seen it, I would have sent it too you already.
No there isn't.
Of course there isn't.
only thing they have as proof is bible , which is a bull $.hit
If your faith is strong enough you can believe anything. 鈫戔啈鈫?br>
It doesn't need to be true.
....
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I'm not sure where SundayLunch is getting his information, but I have been familiar with Tacitus' reference to Jesus Christ for years, and it is one of the most obvious forgeries in the whole of classical literature. If you know anything about Tacitus that half-sentence sticks out the way that a couple bars of Britney Spears would in a Sonic Youth video.
Maybe the Church only tampered with a classical text that once (after all, the Christians only had around fourteen hundred years to insert messages favourable to themselves in genuine Roman texts). This seems likely: Christians have always been spectacularly honest and trustworthy folk (as they still are).
Suetonius does not refer to anybody called Christ living in Palestine in the early years of the first century. Suetonius refers to somebody called Chrestus (a common name among Greek metics) living in Rome around 100 AD.
Pliny the younger talks about Christianity as one of several cult religions causing problems in Rome towards the end of the first century.
And so on .....
yes
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you
If any evidence shows that what we believe is untrue then we should reject it as false...?
...Since our beliefs must be true.
QUESTION:
Isn't that why we're better than non-believers?If any evidence shows that what we believe is untrue then we should reject it as false...?
Well what makes you think you are better than the non-believers. That fact that you think you have the divine answer. When that divine answer runs against the evidence, you reject it.
Is your faith so strong that you are divine, or is it so strong that you are blind.If any evidence shows that what we believe is untrue then we should reject it as false...?
Answer is in your question... If you receive undeniable evidence that what you believe in isn't true then you know for a fact that it just isn't true. You can't really unknow something, it still has a huge impact on your behavior and how you think. When a person, as you say, rejects the facts for false, I've noticed that what they are probably doing segregating their minds into different schools of thought that one can switch between depending on whether they're at church or amongst peers, one example being science mode and faith mode. I think this is what most people do when their ';assurance of things hoped for, proof of things not seen'; is flat out disproven. Good on you if you have the mental stamina to keep that up though. Some people do go the extra mile, and subconsciously smother the things backed by facts. Such mental gymnastics doesn't negate facts that have set up camp in your mind, it just results in different behavior. I find that these people are either smug with the light of Christ or super duper belligerent if facts are brought up. It's not frequent that a person who is lying to themselves about facts is willing to sit down and have an honest and agreeable discussion about either science or theology.
There are just too many faiths with members all running around with a case of the warm fuzzies for their 'one true faith' for my comfort. My favorite crap counterargument to this is, ';it's ok! all religions have a little bit of truth to them, but we're still the right one!';
What a narrow way of looking at things. Why must our beliefs be true? Every single person has some beliefs which are not shared by others. If we are not open to the possibility of being wrong,then we are not open to the possibility of learning that we are wrong and then we can't learn more. There are so many examples of wrong beliefs,even to the point of people being killed because they would not conform to so called ';right';beliefs. The earth being the center of the universe. Or being flat. It sounds ridiculous today. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant about facts. What is wrong is being so narrow minded that you cannot learn more.
... so you are willing to believe that which is untrue, and you think that makes you better than people that are not deluded?
QUESTION:
Isn't that why we're better than non-believers?If any evidence shows that what we believe is untrue then we should reject it as false...?
Well what makes you think you are better than the non-believers. That fact that you think you have the divine answer. When that divine answer runs against the evidence, you reject it.
Is your faith so strong that you are divine, or is it so strong that you are blind.If any evidence shows that what we believe is untrue then we should reject it as false...?
Answer is in your question... If you receive undeniable evidence that what you believe in isn't true then you know for a fact that it just isn't true. You can't really unknow something, it still has a huge impact on your behavior and how you think. When a person, as you say, rejects the facts for false, I've noticed that what they are probably doing segregating their minds into different schools of thought that one can switch between depending on whether they're at church or amongst peers, one example being science mode and faith mode. I think this is what most people do when their ';assurance of things hoped for, proof of things not seen'; is flat out disproven. Good on you if you have the mental stamina to keep that up though. Some people do go the extra mile, and subconsciously smother the things backed by facts. Such mental gymnastics doesn't negate facts that have set up camp in your mind, it just results in different behavior. I find that these people are either smug with the light of Christ or super duper belligerent if facts are brought up. It's not frequent that a person who is lying to themselves about facts is willing to sit down and have an honest and agreeable discussion about either science or theology.
There are just too many faiths with members all running around with a case of the warm fuzzies for their 'one true faith' for my comfort. My favorite crap counterargument to this is, ';it's ok! all religions have a little bit of truth to them, but we're still the right one!';
What a narrow way of looking at things. Why must our beliefs be true? Every single person has some beliefs which are not shared by others. If we are not open to the possibility of being wrong,then we are not open to the possibility of learning that we are wrong and then we can't learn more. There are so many examples of wrong beliefs,even to the point of people being killed because they would not conform to so called ';right';beliefs. The earth being the center of the universe. Or being flat. It sounds ridiculous today. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant about facts. What is wrong is being so narrow minded that you cannot learn more.
... so you are willing to believe that which is untrue, and you think that makes you better than people that are not deluded?
Is there any greater evidence of fascism in the USA, then the false accusations of socialism & anti labor?
stance of the republican party??
Think about it, thats how the nazis gained control in germany......scapegoating labor and engaging in witch hunts for socialists and communists. They eventually did engage in aggressive wars against countries that had not attacked them and established concentration camps in distant lands and embraced torture and gestapo like spying on citizens too.....as we all know. The similarities are eerie.Is there any greater evidence of fascism in the USA, then the false accusations of socialism %26amp; anti labor?
No. You need to put more thought into your argument. It doesn't hold water.Is there any greater evidence of fascism in the USA, then the false accusations of socialism %26amp; anti labor?
hussyinterrupted perhaps you should read a book that doesn't have cartoon pictures or size 24 fonts. NSDAP was a conveniant name for Hitler to gather votes from the entire moderate spectrum of German voters, while appealing to the more moderate extremists. Hitler hated socialism but he was still pragmatic in securing the leadership of Germany, and to question whether or not he was a fascist would be like asking if you can drink sewage. Ridiculous.
What you are saying actually has some validity to it (without going overboard), but realise both sides spread false accusations: it's part of politics.
Unfortunately most people don't understand the difference between a socialist republic (communism, like in China/Cuba) and a socialist democracy (mixed economy, like in Sweden). The US is heading towards neither, but definitely not the first. Socialists in the US most often base their models on the Sweden system or similar, and last I checked, Sweden was a great place to live.
The easy answer to this question is YES....there is more clear evidence...it is called the 750 Trillion dollars + bailout of the multinational corporate banks at the expense and against the wishes of the populace.
That by its very nature is Fascism.
I mean billion not trillion but the outcome is the same
YES THEY DO SOUND VERY NAZI LIKE IN EVERY WAY.
AND THESE MCCAIN SHEEP ARE FALLING FOR IT.
THEY HAVE THE SUPPORT OF WHITE SUPREMEST AND DEMONIZE OBAMA LIKE HITLER DID AS WELL.
FASCIST HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OF PEOPLES LIVES -OFTEN BY FORCE.
I HAVE HEARD MCCAIN SUPPORTERS TALK BADLY ABOUT THE JEWISH PEOPLE -BLACKS AND HISPANICS.
THEY EVOKE REAL ANGER AND VIOLENCE.
AND MCCAIN NOR PALIN HAVE NOT SAID BUT ONE WORD TO DISCOURAGE THIS
I agree. The Republicans are the one's looking more like the Nazi's these days. Demonizing, false accusations to create fear, etc.
Yeah because the nazi party was actually called the ';National Socialist German Workers Party';. Sure sounds like they wanted to destroy socialism and the workers. Read a book you dolt.
Is there greater evidence of a looney when he compares USA to Nazi Germany?
All organization can be misused and hijacked! Just look at the Islamic Extremists!
what is eerie is the simularities of reverend wrights teaching and hitler
You may need to go look that up again. You have it wrong. And Obama is a socialist...period.
ummm, bigfoot
Have a glass of wine. None of this is that serious.
nogray hair
Think about it, thats how the nazis gained control in germany......scapegoating labor and engaging in witch hunts for socialists and communists. They eventually did engage in aggressive wars against countries that had not attacked them and established concentration camps in distant lands and embraced torture and gestapo like spying on citizens too.....as we all know. The similarities are eerie.Is there any greater evidence of fascism in the USA, then the false accusations of socialism %26amp; anti labor?
No. You need to put more thought into your argument. It doesn't hold water.Is there any greater evidence of fascism in the USA, then the false accusations of socialism %26amp; anti labor?
hussyinterrupted perhaps you should read a book that doesn't have cartoon pictures or size 24 fonts. NSDAP was a conveniant name for Hitler to gather votes from the entire moderate spectrum of German voters, while appealing to the more moderate extremists. Hitler hated socialism but he was still pragmatic in securing the leadership of Germany, and to question whether or not he was a fascist would be like asking if you can drink sewage. Ridiculous.
What you are saying actually has some validity to it (without going overboard), but realise both sides spread false accusations: it's part of politics.
Unfortunately most people don't understand the difference between a socialist republic (communism, like in China/Cuba) and a socialist democracy (mixed economy, like in Sweden). The US is heading towards neither, but definitely not the first. Socialists in the US most often base their models on the Sweden system or similar, and last I checked, Sweden was a great place to live.
The easy answer to this question is YES....there is more clear evidence...it is called the 750 Trillion dollars + bailout of the multinational corporate banks at the expense and against the wishes of the populace.
That by its very nature is Fascism.
I mean billion not trillion but the outcome is the same
YES THEY DO SOUND VERY NAZI LIKE IN EVERY WAY.
AND THESE MCCAIN SHEEP ARE FALLING FOR IT.
THEY HAVE THE SUPPORT OF WHITE SUPREMEST AND DEMONIZE OBAMA LIKE HITLER DID AS WELL.
FASCIST HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OF PEOPLES LIVES -OFTEN BY FORCE.
I HAVE HEARD MCCAIN SUPPORTERS TALK BADLY ABOUT THE JEWISH PEOPLE -BLACKS AND HISPANICS.
THEY EVOKE REAL ANGER AND VIOLENCE.
AND MCCAIN NOR PALIN HAVE NOT SAID BUT ONE WORD TO DISCOURAGE THIS
I agree. The Republicans are the one's looking more like the Nazi's these days. Demonizing, false accusations to create fear, etc.
Yeah because the nazi party was actually called the ';National Socialist German Workers Party';. Sure sounds like they wanted to destroy socialism and the workers. Read a book you dolt.
Is there greater evidence of a looney when he compares USA to Nazi Germany?
All organization can be misused and hijacked! Just look at the Islamic Extremists!
what is eerie is the simularities of reverend wrights teaching and hitler
You may need to go look that up again. You have it wrong. And Obama is a socialist...period.
ummm, bigfoot
Have a glass of wine. None of this is that serious.
no
How long does it take a Christian to examine all the evidence for evolution and conclude it's false?
10 hours ago: someone asks for the evidence for evolution (incorrectly calling it ';proof'; - which is a concept in math, not science)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;鈥?/a>
8 hours ago: That person concludes all the evidence is false:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;鈥?/a>
';ive read the theory of evolution and the so called but to say everything just fell into place the solar system the elements of gravity and the distance of the planets from the sun and the moon being perfect the rotation of the earth all just happening by coincidence is too hard to believe';
Do you feel two hours is enough time to examine the evidence? Is it enough to understand evolution and astronomy are not the same thing?How long does it take a Christian to examine all the evidence for evolution and conclude it's false?
Here is an answer i got from a christian concerning evolution:
';I don't care how evolution says the world came about. I really refuse to care. Besides evolution is a theory and the Bible is the LAW of God. Now I do know enough about science to know that LAW always overrides theory. I refuse to except any evidence other than what is presented in the Bible as to how the earth got here.';
I think they all think like this.How long does it take a Christian to examine all the evidence for evolution and conclude it's false?
let me breakdown his 2 hours for you.
5 minutes reading the first paragraph over and over. 5 minutes looking up words from that paragraph in the dictionary. 5 minutes of reading that first paragraph some more. 2 minute prayer to God for understanding. 2 minutes later when understanding did not come, he concluded God didn't approve of the the theory or his understanding prayer would have been answered. 1 hour and 41 minutes of reading about evolution from a fundie website with pictures. and done!
It should take longer than two hours for:
1. A person to examine all of the evidence for the theory of evolution, process it, and determine it to be false.
2. A person to read all the way through the Bible, process it, and determine it to be false.
Both sides are pretty quick to judge sometimes. It took me 17 years to figure out where I stand.
I am Christian and I think that Christians need not study evolution unless they have doubts. Otherwise, disproving evolution to a believer of it is somewhat blatant, disrespectful, and out of place.
I don't think this Christian has really understood all the nuts and bolts of evolution and the universe, and two hours isn't really enough, even if you're skimming galaxies of information.
His first question shows he is clueless, a Poe or is deliberately ignoring the evidence.
He is just regurgitating the non-stop lies spewed by Hovind et al and the later ';questions'; are just confirmation of that.
And as for ';fossils only showed that something has died'; you are as clueless as ';disciple';. Evolution and the theory was based on the examination of existing organisms, examination in detail that you might find difficult to comprehend.
Two hours is plenty time for them realize the difference between evolution and how the universe was created.. Obviously they are a liar in saying they've ';read the theory of evolution.';
Don't worry, Rev. 21:8 says they, as a liar, ';will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur.'; So it all works out in the end.
I know some christians who believe in evolution and study physics. It's just when they hear someone saying ';praise the lord'; that they switch off all the common sense and enter a different world altogether. I admit they are really very versatile in this switching and jumping between two modes. Basically, they don't mix them, when they're in one mode, they don't think of the other.
';ive read the theory of evolution and the so called but to say everything just fell into place the solar system the elements of gravity and the distance of the planets from the sun and the moon being perfect the rotation of the earth all just happening by coincidence is too hard to believe';
That has nothing to do with evolution in the first place
Dude to tell you the truth I really don't give a damn about Christians. They are doomed. They lack knowledge of many things which is even in the Bible. Christians go against their own Bibles. You read Bible Code and it speaks about a connection between Evolution and the Hebrew deity Yahweh. If its not in the non complex Bible Christians will not believe it. Only because they limit their mind. For instance Exodus 3:15 all Christians believe that God's name is ' I AM who I Am', when that's not a name being revealed but a statement. They lack the knowledge of simple stuff that a child can understand and they expect to be saving peoples soul. Give me a damn break.
Don't go generalizing, now. You know it's just this individual you're talking about, and it didn't take him 2 hours to understand and reject it all, he was just having dinner. He had already rejected it before turning on the microwave.
How long does it take a Christian to examine all the evidence for evolution and conclude it's false?
About as long as it took 'C' to come up with such a witty answer.
If it was up to christians they would still have the Earth at the center of the Solar system. Look how long it took for them to apologize for that.
As always they just make stuff up.
Having read ';the theory of evolution'; (which is a doubtful claim at best) means nothing, even if it were true.
The question shows the person has no understanding of evolution.
Examine evidence?
Creationists?
ROFLcopter
and its funny once again breaking the commandment by bearing false witness cause if dud had read anything about evolution he wouldnt even touch astronomy
I'm betting that person didn't even look at what was presented. He probably just watched another Hovind video.
After two hours he hasn't even figured out the difference between biology and astronomy? LOL
What would you say to someone like Dean Kenyon, a former chemical evolutionist who spent many years in study and has concluded that the Darwinian explanations (as they now exist) are no better than fairy tales... in fact, they are worse than fairy tales. The tales are at least meant to be taken as tales. But this so called theory - with all its 'just so stories' and endless speculations - is meant to be taken seriously!
2 seconds.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;鈥?/a>
Bones and fossils only prove that something died
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;鈥?/a>
8 hours ago: That person concludes all the evidence is false:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;鈥?/a>
';ive read the theory of evolution and the so called but to say everything just fell into place the solar system the elements of gravity and the distance of the planets from the sun and the moon being perfect the rotation of the earth all just happening by coincidence is too hard to believe';
Do you feel two hours is enough time to examine the evidence? Is it enough to understand evolution and astronomy are not the same thing?How long does it take a Christian to examine all the evidence for evolution and conclude it's false?
Here is an answer i got from a christian concerning evolution:
';I don't care how evolution says the world came about. I really refuse to care. Besides evolution is a theory and the Bible is the LAW of God. Now I do know enough about science to know that LAW always overrides theory. I refuse to except any evidence other than what is presented in the Bible as to how the earth got here.';
I think they all think like this.How long does it take a Christian to examine all the evidence for evolution and conclude it's false?
let me breakdown his 2 hours for you.
5 minutes reading the first paragraph over and over. 5 minutes looking up words from that paragraph in the dictionary. 5 minutes of reading that first paragraph some more. 2 minute prayer to God for understanding. 2 minutes later when understanding did not come, he concluded God didn't approve of the the theory or his understanding prayer would have been answered. 1 hour and 41 minutes of reading about evolution from a fundie website with pictures. and done!
It should take longer than two hours for:
1. A person to examine all of the evidence for the theory of evolution, process it, and determine it to be false.
2. A person to read all the way through the Bible, process it, and determine it to be false.
Both sides are pretty quick to judge sometimes. It took me 17 years to figure out where I stand.
I am Christian and I think that Christians need not study evolution unless they have doubts. Otherwise, disproving evolution to a believer of it is somewhat blatant, disrespectful, and out of place.
I don't think this Christian has really understood all the nuts and bolts of evolution and the universe, and two hours isn't really enough, even if you're skimming galaxies of information.
His first question shows he is clueless, a Poe or is deliberately ignoring the evidence.
He is just regurgitating the non-stop lies spewed by Hovind et al and the later ';questions'; are just confirmation of that.
And as for ';fossils only showed that something has died'; you are as clueless as ';disciple';. Evolution and the theory was based on the examination of existing organisms, examination in detail that you might find difficult to comprehend.
Two hours is plenty time for them realize the difference between evolution and how the universe was created.. Obviously they are a liar in saying they've ';read the theory of evolution.';
Don't worry, Rev. 21:8 says they, as a liar, ';will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur.'; So it all works out in the end.
I know some christians who believe in evolution and study physics. It's just when they hear someone saying ';praise the lord'; that they switch off all the common sense and enter a different world altogether. I admit they are really very versatile in this switching and jumping between two modes. Basically, they don't mix them, when they're in one mode, they don't think of the other.
';ive read the theory of evolution and the so called but to say everything just fell into place the solar system the elements of gravity and the distance of the planets from the sun and the moon being perfect the rotation of the earth all just happening by coincidence is too hard to believe';
That has nothing to do with evolution in the first place
Dude to tell you the truth I really don't give a damn about Christians. They are doomed. They lack knowledge of many things which is even in the Bible. Christians go against their own Bibles. You read Bible Code and it speaks about a connection between Evolution and the Hebrew deity Yahweh. If its not in the non complex Bible Christians will not believe it. Only because they limit their mind. For instance Exodus 3:15 all Christians believe that God's name is ' I AM who I Am', when that's not a name being revealed but a statement. They lack the knowledge of simple stuff that a child can understand and they expect to be saving peoples soul. Give me a damn break.
Don't go generalizing, now. You know it's just this individual you're talking about, and it didn't take him 2 hours to understand and reject it all, he was just having dinner. He had already rejected it before turning on the microwave.
How long does it take a Christian to examine all the evidence for evolution and conclude it's false?
About as long as it took 'C' to come up with such a witty answer.
If it was up to christians they would still have the Earth at the center of the Solar system. Look how long it took for them to apologize for that.
As always they just make stuff up.
Having read ';the theory of evolution'; (which is a doubtful claim at best) means nothing, even if it were true.
The question shows the person has no understanding of evolution.
Examine evidence?
Creationists?
ROFLcopter
and its funny once again breaking the commandment by bearing false witness cause if dud had read anything about evolution he wouldnt even touch astronomy
I'm betting that person didn't even look at what was presented. He probably just watched another Hovind video.
After two hours he hasn't even figured out the difference between biology and astronomy? LOL
What would you say to someone like Dean Kenyon, a former chemical evolutionist who spent many years in study and has concluded that the Darwinian explanations (as they now exist) are no better than fairy tales... in fact, they are worse than fairy tales. The tales are at least meant to be taken as tales. But this so called theory - with all its 'just so stories' and endless speculations - is meant to be taken seriously!
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Bones and fossils only prove that something died
If evolution is false then why did God provide so much evidence for it ?
The ability of a virus to mutate to another species as a host ( H1N1 for example)
DNA analysis that conclusively ties all living things together.
A solid fossil record showing the evolutionary path of life
Changing out characteristics through breeding . The pug, the terrier these are all man made creations through selective breeding . All dog breeds are related to wolves they would not be here but for man's domestication and selective breeding.
I know what you are going to say , that this is the way God made it . Why would he provide all the evidence to support evolution through natural selection . Why not just eliminate these issues , thus eliminate the debate . Please don't give me that bull that it is a test .If evolution is false then why did God provide so much evidence for it ?
this question is of the devil!!!!!If evolution is false then why did God provide so much evidence for it ?
I never said evolution is false. I just wish people would stop quoting evolution as if the theory were perfect and without it's shortcomings. I don't completely support the theory of evolution; I do acknowledge that God could have used it. However, the theory of evolution is not complete nor is it perfect.
Why is the Cambrian Fossil record such a Dilemma for Darwin's theory?
Why did so many animals appear so fast with out lower species first?
There is adaptation with animals but there is never a change in species IE lack of fossil record.
Dogs stay dogs and Bacteria stay bugs.
Look in a mirror. There is plenty of evidence that this image is a life form, but understanding breaks any illusion of such thinking. Whatever is subject to evolution is the false image, but man is not false, but spiritual in truth.
the virus did not mutate into a different species, it just got simpler and able to eat the vaccines. man made animals have less info not more. It's not solid fossil records.either. if it was solid there be no debate would there.
And if you want to give answers, please give objective evidence to an alternative, scientific method with objective evidence.
Though, I doubt something would come up.
I don't think it is false. I don't think evolution contradicts the Bible. I think the idea of evolution without God's guidance does, though.
Evolution is the discovery of man throught science, it's not a evidence provided by God.
I'm not going to tell you ';this is the way god made it.';
Evolution is true. There is no god.
See how that works?
he tried to hide the evidence...just like he tried to make it seem like the earth was flat
but Magellan was just to smart for him
....so was darwin
edit : and einstein
edit : and hubble
To confuse people who do not want to believe in Him.
yes and the world is flat because it looks like it is
Since the overwhemingly vast majority of Creationists also accept Evolution, I'll address your question as pertaining to the YECs who love to post their uneducated, illogical beliefs here.
YECs have the untenable position of not only having to counter the vast observable evidence for Evolution, but they then must address Why their ';God'; chose to create such deadly species of lifeforms as the H1N1 virus; the AIDS virus; the various types of cancer, etc...
Then the YEC must also answer the logically implied position that IF their ';God'; chose to create such organisms, then Why is ';He'; somehow NOT responsible for the pain, suffering and death that ';His'; chosen creations inflict? Remember, viruses and bacteria would not possibly have freewill; they only do what they were ';created'; to do. If their ';God'; is truly Omnipotent, then He is logically responsible for the results of everything He ';creates'; for good or bad. The basic Creationist position is logically defensible (however improbable), but the YEC position is not only untenable, it's just flat out ignorant.
1. Virus mutations are a result of a genetic loss of information. Evolution requires a genetic increase in information.
2. DNA is the most information rich system known to man. Even evolutionists know this. Just because organisms are similar in some places in the code doesn't mean they share a common ancestor. That is an evolutionary assumption.
3. Selective breeding is what evolutionists call ';artificial selection.'; There is a variety of dogs, but the further breeders deviate from the generic mutt, the more problems they encounter. Ask any breeder if you don't believe me. The variations are always limited.
4. There is no solid fossil record. There are only fossils. Even prominent evolutionists will admit that. Ask Mary Leakey if the tree of life means anything.
5. God didn't make things to look like they evolved. No creationist that I am aware of uses the ';God is testing us by giving us evidence for evolution'; argument.
I'm sorry, but your question is invalid. There is no evidence that points to evolution and away from creation.
so much evidence for it ? Just made up evidence the facts do not hold true.
He provided that everything reproduces after its own kind.
Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit
*** after his kind,
whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Hybrids do not reproduce from seed!
Genesis 1:21
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,
** after their kind,
and every winged fowl
**after his kind:
and God saw that it was good.
That is why when you try to breed anything out of its kind they will not reproduce.
Here is an example:
If you breed a Gold fish with a Koi you get a fish who can not reproduce.
You can breed a donkey with a horse which produces a Mule who can not reproduce!
They are close to being the same kind but will not reproduce.
Breed an Ape with a human and you will get nothing because they are not related!
You study wolfs and dogs(domesticated? wolfs?) and see if I am right!
DNA of each species is a computer program designed by God to make for instance a Human Being whose DNA goes all the way back to Adam and Eve or each species Original parent.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Read a little further and you will find out the Word was made Flesh (Jesus) and lived in the time of John who gives us an eye account of Jesus and John says He is God. I think John was treated pretty badly for his testimony about God!
As we modern day believers are scoffed at and treated badly for asking people to investigate the claims about Jesus and escape from the judgement that is coming for all of us.
First all believers then all who have mocked him.
Your choice!
I choose the love of God which is in His son Jesus.
Today is the day!
Tomorrow may be to late!
Zechariah 11
11 But they refused to heed, shrugged their shoulders, and stopped their ears so that they could not hear.
12 Yes, they made their hearts like flint, refusing to hear the law and the words which the LORD of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Thus great wrath came from the LORD of hosts.
13 Therefore it happened, that just as He proclaimed and they would not hear, so they called out and I would not listen,” says the LORD of hosts.
Adam and Eve sinned against God they were put out of the perfect world He created them in and put on the earth as we know it.
The world has sin and death.
We sin and are guilty !
Have you ever lied?
Have you ever stolen anything?
Have you ever mocked God?
Have you ever etc.etc. etc?
In fact Jesus says that if you hate someone in your heart you are guilty of Murder!
So.... most of us have broken all ten commandments at sometime in our lives!
Adam gives us death and Jesus gives us life. To simple for the educated fool!
Jesus is God and He came to redeem the world from sin and death since .... sins penalty is death He had to pay our penalty.
Just before He allowed the Romans to crucify him he said
No man TAKES MY Life ... I give it freely ...
at that point all of the Roman soldiers where knocked to the ground.
After physically dying on the cross.
He went into the captives of death and preached to them
The bible says that many came out with him.
He then came back to Jerusalem and was seen by 500 people.
And as they watched He was taken up into heaven and came back.
Because the religious people of the day where saying that the body was stolen He showed all 500 people that without any doubt he IS alive.
Many of these people where put to death by the Romans because they would not say that He was Dead.
He is alive today and seated on the right hand of God as we read this.
THINK ... would you give your life for a dead man? No and neither did they.
I'd like to see the ';complete fossil record'; because as of now they have found very few transitional fossils, and the ones they've found (Lucy for example) was scattered over a mile and they only found 5 bones and drew up the rest. Of course you've never heard that. Also of course DNA analysis ties everything together...did you really think God when he created the universe decided to change blueprints every 10 organisms? He used the same blueprint for everyone, that is why we all are tied together. I read ';The Greatest Show on Earth'; by Richard Dawkins, showing the proof for evolution, and unfortunately i would say that the ';proof'; he shows is based on assumptions and some false/stretched ideas. To be completely honest their is as little proof for evolution as creationism.
DNA analysis that conclusively ties all living things together.
A solid fossil record showing the evolutionary path of life
Changing out characteristics through breeding . The pug, the terrier these are all man made creations through selective breeding . All dog breeds are related to wolves they would not be here but for man's domestication and selective breeding.
I know what you are going to say , that this is the way God made it . Why would he provide all the evidence to support evolution through natural selection . Why not just eliminate these issues , thus eliminate the debate . Please don't give me that bull that it is a test .If evolution is false then why did God provide so much evidence for it ?
this question is of the devil!!!!!If evolution is false then why did God provide so much evidence for it ?
I never said evolution is false. I just wish people would stop quoting evolution as if the theory were perfect and without it's shortcomings. I don't completely support the theory of evolution; I do acknowledge that God could have used it. However, the theory of evolution is not complete nor is it perfect.
Why is the Cambrian Fossil record such a Dilemma for Darwin's theory?
Why did so many animals appear so fast with out lower species first?
There is adaptation with animals but there is never a change in species IE lack of fossil record.
Dogs stay dogs and Bacteria stay bugs.
Look in a mirror. There is plenty of evidence that this image is a life form, but understanding breaks any illusion of such thinking. Whatever is subject to evolution is the false image, but man is not false, but spiritual in truth.
the virus did not mutate into a different species, it just got simpler and able to eat the vaccines. man made animals have less info not more. It's not solid fossil records.either. if it was solid there be no debate would there.
And if you want to give answers, please give objective evidence to an alternative, scientific method with objective evidence.
Though, I doubt something would come up.
I don't think it is false. I don't think evolution contradicts the Bible. I think the idea of evolution without God's guidance does, though.
Evolution is the discovery of man throught science, it's not a evidence provided by God.
I'm not going to tell you ';this is the way god made it.';
Evolution is true. There is no god.
See how that works?
he tried to hide the evidence...just like he tried to make it seem like the earth was flat
but Magellan was just to smart for him
....so was darwin
edit : and einstein
edit : and hubble
To confuse people who do not want to believe in Him.
yes and the world is flat because it looks like it is
Since the overwhemingly vast majority of Creationists also accept Evolution, I'll address your question as pertaining to the YECs who love to post their uneducated, illogical beliefs here.
YECs have the untenable position of not only having to counter the vast observable evidence for Evolution, but they then must address Why their ';God'; chose to create such deadly species of lifeforms as the H1N1 virus; the AIDS virus; the various types of cancer, etc...
Then the YEC must also answer the logically implied position that IF their ';God'; chose to create such organisms, then Why is ';He'; somehow NOT responsible for the pain, suffering and death that ';His'; chosen creations inflict? Remember, viruses and bacteria would not possibly have freewill; they only do what they were ';created'; to do. If their ';God'; is truly Omnipotent, then He is logically responsible for the results of everything He ';creates'; for good or bad. The basic Creationist position is logically defensible (however improbable), but the YEC position is not only untenable, it's just flat out ignorant.
1. Virus mutations are a result of a genetic loss of information. Evolution requires a genetic increase in information.
2. DNA is the most information rich system known to man. Even evolutionists know this. Just because organisms are similar in some places in the code doesn't mean they share a common ancestor. That is an evolutionary assumption.
3. Selective breeding is what evolutionists call ';artificial selection.'; There is a variety of dogs, but the further breeders deviate from the generic mutt, the more problems they encounter. Ask any breeder if you don't believe me. The variations are always limited.
4. There is no solid fossil record. There are only fossils. Even prominent evolutionists will admit that. Ask Mary Leakey if the tree of life means anything.
5. God didn't make things to look like they evolved. No creationist that I am aware of uses the ';God is testing us by giving us evidence for evolution'; argument.
I'm sorry, but your question is invalid. There is no evidence that points to evolution and away from creation.
so much evidence for it ? Just made up evidence the facts do not hold true.
He provided that everything reproduces after its own kind.
Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit
*** after his kind,
whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Hybrids do not reproduce from seed!
Genesis 1:21
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,
** after their kind,
and every winged fowl
**after his kind:
and God saw that it was good.
That is why when you try to breed anything out of its kind they will not reproduce.
Here is an example:
If you breed a Gold fish with a Koi you get a fish who can not reproduce.
You can breed a donkey with a horse which produces a Mule who can not reproduce!
They are close to being the same kind but will not reproduce.
Breed an Ape with a human and you will get nothing because they are not related!
You study wolfs and dogs(domesticated? wolfs?) and see if I am right!
DNA of each species is a computer program designed by God to make for instance a Human Being whose DNA goes all the way back to Adam and Eve or each species Original parent.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Read a little further and you will find out the Word was made Flesh (Jesus) and lived in the time of John who gives us an eye account of Jesus and John says He is God. I think John was treated pretty badly for his testimony about God!
As we modern day believers are scoffed at and treated badly for asking people to investigate the claims about Jesus and escape from the judgement that is coming for all of us.
First all believers then all who have mocked him.
Your choice!
I choose the love of God which is in His son Jesus.
Today is the day!
Tomorrow may be to late!
Zechariah 11
11 But they refused to heed, shrugged their shoulders, and stopped their ears so that they could not hear.
12 Yes, they made their hearts like flint, refusing to hear the law and the words which the LORD of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Thus great wrath came from the LORD of hosts.
13 Therefore it happened, that just as He proclaimed and they would not hear, so they called out and I would not listen,” says the LORD of hosts.
Adam and Eve sinned against God they were put out of the perfect world He created them in and put on the earth as we know it.
The world has sin and death.
We sin and are guilty !
Have you ever lied?
Have you ever stolen anything?
Have you ever mocked God?
Have you ever etc.etc. etc?
In fact Jesus says that if you hate someone in your heart you are guilty of Murder!
So.... most of us have broken all ten commandments at sometime in our lives!
Adam gives us death and Jesus gives us life. To simple for the educated fool!
Jesus is God and He came to redeem the world from sin and death since .... sins penalty is death He had to pay our penalty.
Just before He allowed the Romans to crucify him he said
No man TAKES MY Life ... I give it freely ...
at that point all of the Roman soldiers where knocked to the ground.
After physically dying on the cross.
He went into the captives of death and preached to them
The bible says that many came out with him.
He then came back to Jerusalem and was seen by 500 people.
And as they watched He was taken up into heaven and came back.
Because the religious people of the day where saying that the body was stolen He showed all 500 people that without any doubt he IS alive.
Many of these people where put to death by the Romans because they would not say that He was Dead.
He is alive today and seated on the right hand of God as we read this.
THINK ... would you give your life for a dead man? No and neither did they.
I'd like to see the ';complete fossil record'; because as of now they have found very few transitional fossils, and the ones they've found (Lucy for example) was scattered over a mile and they only found 5 bones and drew up the rest. Of course you've never heard that. Also of course DNA analysis ties everything together...did you really think God when he created the universe decided to change blueprints every 10 organisms? He used the same blueprint for everyone, that is why we all are tied together. I read ';The Greatest Show on Earth'; by Richard Dawkins, showing the proof for evolution, and unfortunately i would say that the ';proof'; he shows is based on assumptions and some false/stretched ideas. To be completely honest their is as little proof for evolution as creationism.
Trouble, Trouble...Submitting False document with Forged signature to Court as evidence?
California, Small Claims Court, Tenant/ Landlord.
What if any consequences, penalties, charges, ect.
****For submitting a false rental contract with forged signatures*****Trouble, Trouble...Submitting False document with Forged signature to Court as evidence?
You can be charged with fraud and also with perjury. The judge may also find you in contempt.Trouble, Trouble...Submitting False document with Forged signature to Court as evidence?
Yeah, judges and magistrates don't take kindly to possible felonies in their courts. Most of that stuff is pretty easily proven to be false. People aren't as good at forgery as they think.
Quite literally one of the worst ideas ever. If you're caught you could face criminal charges.
thats a felony, i hope u get out of this good, good luck!
What if any consequences, penalties, charges, ect.
****For submitting a false rental contract with forged signatures*****Trouble, Trouble...Submitting False document with Forged signature to Court as evidence?
You can be charged with fraud and also with perjury. The judge may also find you in contempt.Trouble, Trouble...Submitting False document with Forged signature to Court as evidence?
Yeah, judges and magistrates don't take kindly to possible felonies in their courts. Most of that stuff is pretty easily proven to be false. People aren't as good at forgery as they think.
Quite literally one of the worst ideas ever. If you're caught you could face criminal charges.
thats a felony, i hope u get out of this good, good luck!
So, suppose we did find a crocoduck. Would you accept evolution then, or would there still be excuses?
Kirk Cameron said so...So, suppose we did find a crocoduck. Would you accept evolution then, or would there still be excuses?
Somebody please give me some proof of god or jesus. Some proof....ANY proof. I've never seen ANYthing that would make me think that they were anything more than just another fairy tale.So, suppose we did find a crocoduck. Would you accept evolution then, or would there still be excuses?
The crocodile is best suited to its environment. There is no reason for it to change dramatically.
The duck is one of many variants of bird, a highly adaptable species that is often USED as an example of adaptability.
Birds are not far different from reptiles. Which features of a crock would be hard to believe?
Long sharp toothed snout/bill
Water hunter
Scale like skin on the feet and or body
I would want to know, does it have hunter's eyes, predator's eyes or something in between?...
An alligatortoise would be fun, too.
Only God can make a crocoduck.
True story.
I'm sure I've missed part of this thread, but if there were such a creature as a crocoduck, I'd suspect genetic engineering.
And I don't care how nutritious they would claim it is, I wouldn't like to try one.
;o)
have you never heard of a platypus? it seems that people are never happy with what's there just always looking to avoid the obvious.
There are those who will never open their eyes!
Ha! Tell ya what, find me a crocoduck and we'll talk. Until then, evolution is still a THEORY, people, not a FACT. Dorks.
This not really a big problem to me. I believe in the Bible record on how things happened in the beginning.
I think I would have to see more than crocoduck to change my opinion about the evolution theory, but crocoduck would be a start of some kind ; )
True believers will not have their faith shaken. We already believe in God's existence and will die holding our faith intact.
If you watch the debate on the abcnews site...when cameron whips out his duck, you can hear the male Atheist debater say ';Oh. My. God. What a numbnut'; :) I think they deleted the numbnut from the network version.
It would probably get credit from some scientist who had a cloning experiment go wrong.
Get A Grip.
I would not want to know what the world would have come too if the best form for an animal to survive in is partly crocodile and part duck.
A crocoduck! Crikey, wouldn't that be neat.
~Neeva
Do you think all Christians disbelieve in evolution? If so, you're very wrong. Many species have evolved some have devolved. I don't however, believe man evolved from apes. That ';missing link'; is still missing. Personally, I think man has devolved ... at least intellectually.
Somebody please give me some proof of god or jesus. Some proof....ANY proof. I've never seen ANYthing that would make me think that they were anything more than just another fairy tale.So, suppose we did find a crocoduck. Would you accept evolution then, or would there still be excuses?
The crocodile is best suited to its environment. There is no reason for it to change dramatically.
The duck is one of many variants of bird, a highly adaptable species that is often USED as an example of adaptability.
Birds are not far different from reptiles. Which features of a crock would be hard to believe?
Long sharp toothed snout/bill
Water hunter
Scale like skin on the feet and or body
I would want to know, does it have hunter's eyes, predator's eyes or something in between?...
An alligatortoise would be fun, too.
Only God can make a crocoduck.
True story.
I'm sure I've missed part of this thread, but if there were such a creature as a crocoduck, I'd suspect genetic engineering.
And I don't care how nutritious they would claim it is, I wouldn't like to try one.
;o)
have you never heard of a platypus? it seems that people are never happy with what's there just always looking to avoid the obvious.
There are those who will never open their eyes!
Ha! Tell ya what, find me a crocoduck and we'll talk. Until then, evolution is still a THEORY, people, not a FACT. Dorks.
This not really a big problem to me. I believe in the Bible record on how things happened in the beginning.
I think I would have to see more than crocoduck to change my opinion about the evolution theory, but crocoduck would be a start of some kind ; )
True believers will not have their faith shaken. We already believe in God's existence and will die holding our faith intact.
If you watch the debate on the abcnews site...when cameron whips out his duck, you can hear the male Atheist debater say ';Oh. My. God. What a numbnut'; :) I think they deleted the numbnut from the network version.
It would probably get credit from some scientist who had a cloning experiment go wrong.
Get A Grip.
I would not want to know what the world would have come too if the best form for an animal to survive in is partly crocodile and part duck.
A crocoduck! Crikey, wouldn't that be neat.
~Neeva
Do you think all Christians disbelieve in evolution? If so, you're very wrong. Many species have evolved some have devolved. I don't however, believe man evolved from apes. That ';missing link'; is still missing. Personally, I think man has devolved ... at least intellectually.
Am I getting this correctly? No matter what evidence is presented, evolution will always be false, right?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;鈥?/a>Am I getting this correctly? No matter what evidence is presented, evolution will always be false, right?
If it's not in the Bible, then there is no proof, don'tcha know?Am I getting this correctly? No matter what evidence is presented, evolution will always be false, right?
Evolution has so many holes, even darwin said his theory was false.
From the INFORMED creationist's view micro-evolution is easily provable.
MACRO-EVOLUTION is not provable. Existing species obviously adapt to their environment, but there is no proof that one species can BECOME another species.
This is actually a very valid point; many individuals of an extant species would have to ALL mutate into a new species AND breed true, AND have a large enough population to continue to do so for macro-evolution to work. It is tough to prove or even believe in.
They ARE different processes and the point is valid.
It's not the truth of evolution I doubt, it's you, and others who accept 'might makes right'. Adaptability is the doctrinal equivalant of faith in science. Is there room in your brave new theology for the meek, the downtrodden? Materialism is a horse, begging for a rider. Karl Marx, Mao, Pol Pot...need I go on? Those leaders preached egalitarianism, and murdered millions, for practical reasons. They were trying to 'evolve' humanity.
I am a Christian, that believes evolution is real. Fire is also real. Use it wisely.
Even if supermarkets start offering roast crocoduck on a stick.
For Thanksgiving, of course.
The presentation of evidence only inconveniences the willfully ignorant. It does not have any persuasive force at all.
';All mass movements generate in their adherents a readiness to die and a proclivity for united action; all of them, irrespective of the doctrine they preach and the program they project, breed fanaticism, enthusiasm, fervent hope, hatred and intolerance; all of them are capable of releasing a powerful flow of activity in certain departments of life; all of them demand blind faith and singlehearted allegiance.';
';All movements, however different in doctrine and aspiration, draw their early adherents from the same types of humanity; they all appeal to the same types of mind.';
';Though there are obvious differences between the fanatical Muslim, the fanatical nationalist, the fanatical Communist, and the fanatical Nazi, it is yet true that the fanaticism which animates them may be viewed and treated as one. The same is true of the force which drives them on to expansion and world dominion. There is a certain uniformity in all types of dedication, of faith, of pursuit of power, of unity and of self-sacrifice. There are vast differences in the contents of holy causes and doctrines, but a certain uniformity in factors which make them effective. He who, like Pascal, finds precise reasons for the effectiveness of Christian doctrine has also found the reasons for the effectiveness of Communist, Nazi and nationalist doctrine. However different the holy causes people die for, they perhaps die basically for the same thing.';
-The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements by Eric Hoffer
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No, I would not go that far. But it would take a whole lot more evidence for me to believe that evolution theory is a fact. like many people say.
I do not really care about this subject one way or other in regular life. I believe that Genesis record is accurate.
Evolution claims, random change %26amp; natural selection make simple things spontaneously transform into more complex things without recourse to intelligent design. Chance and random changes simply do not produce higher levels of organization %26amp; complexity
I have still yet to see any evidence of one species becoming another. Variations in the same species doesn't equate to evolution. For all we know at this stage is that those variations are preprogrammed in the DNA as possible variations. Mixing of DNA may make a new type of dog, but it is still a dog. So, even if a complex single cell organism managed to spontaneously form with perfect parts one time or even a thousand times, it wouldn't account for the wonderful variety of life here on Earth.
God is still in the process of creating the universe, Some call this process ';evolution';. The evidence of evolution is the proof of this fact.
It is like this 1931 Flat Earth Society ad. It is so much like the Dr Dino site that it is laughable: http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/05/1鈥?/a>
If it's not in the Bible, then there is no proof, don'tcha know?Am I getting this correctly? No matter what evidence is presented, evolution will always be false, right?
Evolution has so many holes, even darwin said his theory was false.
From the INFORMED creationist's view micro-evolution is easily provable.
MACRO-EVOLUTION is not provable. Existing species obviously adapt to their environment, but there is no proof that one species can BECOME another species.
This is actually a very valid point; many individuals of an extant species would have to ALL mutate into a new species AND breed true, AND have a large enough population to continue to do so for macro-evolution to work. It is tough to prove or even believe in.
They ARE different processes and the point is valid.
It's not the truth of evolution I doubt, it's you, and others who accept 'might makes right'. Adaptability is the doctrinal equivalant of faith in science. Is there room in your brave new theology for the meek, the downtrodden? Materialism is a horse, begging for a rider. Karl Marx, Mao, Pol Pot...need I go on? Those leaders preached egalitarianism, and murdered millions, for practical reasons. They were trying to 'evolve' humanity.
I am a Christian, that believes evolution is real. Fire is also real. Use it wisely.
Even if supermarkets start offering roast crocoduck on a stick.
For Thanksgiving, of course.
The presentation of evidence only inconveniences the willfully ignorant. It does not have any persuasive force at all.
';All mass movements generate in their adherents a readiness to die and a proclivity for united action; all of them, irrespective of the doctrine they preach and the program they project, breed fanaticism, enthusiasm, fervent hope, hatred and intolerance; all of them are capable of releasing a powerful flow of activity in certain departments of life; all of them demand blind faith and singlehearted allegiance.';
';All movements, however different in doctrine and aspiration, draw their early adherents from the same types of humanity; they all appeal to the same types of mind.';
';Though there are obvious differences between the fanatical Muslim, the fanatical nationalist, the fanatical Communist, and the fanatical Nazi, it is yet true that the fanaticism which animates them may be viewed and treated as one. The same is true of the force which drives them on to expansion and world dominion. There is a certain uniformity in all types of dedication, of faith, of pursuit of power, of unity and of self-sacrifice. There are vast differences in the contents of holy causes and doctrines, but a certain uniformity in factors which make them effective. He who, like Pascal, finds precise reasons for the effectiveness of Christian doctrine has also found the reasons for the effectiveness of Communist, Nazi and nationalist doctrine. However different the holy causes people die for, they perhaps die basically for the same thing.';
-The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements by Eric Hoffer
true
No, I would not go that far. But it would take a whole lot more evidence for me to believe that evolution theory is a fact. like many people say.
I do not really care about this subject one way or other in regular life. I believe that Genesis record is accurate.
Evolution claims, random change %26amp; natural selection make simple things spontaneously transform into more complex things without recourse to intelligent design. Chance and random changes simply do not produce higher levels of organization %26amp; complexity
I have still yet to see any evidence of one species becoming another. Variations in the same species doesn't equate to evolution. For all we know at this stage is that those variations are preprogrammed in the DNA as possible variations. Mixing of DNA may make a new type of dog, but it is still a dog. So, even if a complex single cell organism managed to spontaneously form with perfect parts one time or even a thousand times, it wouldn't account for the wonderful variety of life here on Earth.
God is still in the process of creating the universe, Some call this process ';evolution';. The evidence of evolution is the proof of this fact.
It is like this 1931 Flat Earth Society ad. It is so much like the Dr Dino site that it is laughable: http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/05/1鈥?/a>
Scientific laws are evidence for, rather than against the existence of God, true or false?
I personally believe it supports the existence of God. Afterall a worls created by God would have laws governing it otherwise it would be in chaos, however it appears to be designed.
Sir Fred Hoyle and Michael Jay Gould, have said ';The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable with the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.';
In my opinion, discovering a scientific law is like finding a manual to how your mobile phone works, what say you?Scientific laws are evidence for, rather than against the existence of God, true or false?
I believe science is helping to prove God does exist, but I already know that.
God Bless and Merry Christmas.Scientific laws are evidence for, rather than against the existence of God, true or false?
This depends on your perception of God. For some of us, yes. For others, no. For example - I believe God is the source of all things and contains the very elements of creation. I often refer to God as he (habit), but really I see God as more of an ';It';. I see the universe as an orderly chaos. I see God as a neutral thing. But I also see God as sentient, but sentient in a way beyond our understanding. So I would agree that science proves God, but maybe not in the same way others perceive it. I don't see God as a human-like entity living in ';heaven'; and pulling out the chemistry set when he's bored.
Yes and everywhere there is perfect mathematical uniformity that
is so precise that science can predict the existence of something with absolute accuracy even before it is actually discovered.
The only conclusion that science has come up with is that there is something grater than science,GOD.
Jesus is the truth, the way and the life!
';Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One';
(Shema Yisrael Adonai eloheinu Adonai ehad)
There is no proof either way. So it does not but it may sometime in the future.
I think your feelings on this issue depend on which side of the evolution/creation debate you're on. Supporters of creation will use natural ';order'; to justify their belief in the existence of a higher deity, while proponents of evolution will cite natural selection as proof that God doesn't exist.
this idea that it has to be for one or the other is a common misconception among both atheists, and theists. if i were to say there was a god, than could you disprove that with the given information in thi bout of text, no. you can neither prove nor disprove this. no you can use sciance to disprove certain ideas about a certain god, or are you just finding flaws in the texts that have occured due to humans fulty miscopying of them? sciance and church can work with, againced or seperate from one another. religion can work againce sciance though. for instance, stem cell reseach or other such things, we all have our side on the issues, but religion can play a part in our decisions on such subjects.
True, and so much more, they teach us how to find our true self and are path ways to God.
What was the question? Please be more specific.
Your analogy at the end is apt, but does not address the point at issue. Scientific laws are completely indifferent to the concept of god, and do not offer evidence on that subject one way or the other. The quote you cited does not take into account the effects of natural selection, which is a potent generator of information: it separates things that work from things that don't, and eliminates the latter.
Sir Fred Hoyle also believed that insects were intelligent, and were hiding this from us.
And Kent Hovind, a leading Creationist, was just found guilty of tax fraud. He could go to prison for the rest of his life.
You are judged by the company you keep.
sounds good
I agree...but then, I already know God created the universe.
I agree with u,,
Yeah, it's like the ';intelligent design'; thing. No way was all of this...life and all of its wonder and complexities, accidental.
It took a superior being to create us, the earth and everything on it.
I've said this answer many times, and many people say the same. This is consistent with an intelligent creator but does nothing to prove its existence.
Yes! The more discoveries they make more questions are raised than are answered. Some people embarked on a path of science thinking it would disprove or lead away from God, but they are actually proving the existence and are on a path to God.
Well, seeing as how there is ZERO evidence for theism, scientific laws are not evidence for it.
For people of true faith, evidence for (of course).
For people without faith, evidence against (obviously).
Depends on the bias of the particular audience.
According to Angels and demons by Dan Brown True
The chance analogy is akin to the infinite no of monkeys with their infinite no of typewriters, eventually writing Shakespeare - their point was that despite the odds being fantastically against it, such life forms developed anyway. You need to grasp that to appreciate the extraordinary nature of the universe around you and life on earth. Your version (';God did it';) is simplistic and lazy.
Supports.
False. Scientific laws are constant. God is a flip flopper - look at how much his personality changed ebtween the OT and NT... And the Boeing 747 is a terrible argument. Life forms cannot be compared to non-animate objects that require a creator...
Think of it this way....you probably beleive a Creator made us because we are so copmplex, right? just like a watch or plane requires a creator because it is so complex, right? But, if complexity means that a creator is required, we must assume that the creator is more complex than that which he creates... Following that logic then, it would seem that if God created mankind, then God is extremely complex. And thus, being so complex, he too requires a creator... So, who created God?
You cannot fight that logic. You can lie your way around it, but you cant fight it.gray hair
Sir Fred Hoyle and Michael Jay Gould, have said ';The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable with the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.';
In my opinion, discovering a scientific law is like finding a manual to how your mobile phone works, what say you?Scientific laws are evidence for, rather than against the existence of God, true or false?
I believe science is helping to prove God does exist, but I already know that.
God Bless and Merry Christmas.Scientific laws are evidence for, rather than against the existence of God, true or false?
This depends on your perception of God. For some of us, yes. For others, no. For example - I believe God is the source of all things and contains the very elements of creation. I often refer to God as he (habit), but really I see God as more of an ';It';. I see the universe as an orderly chaos. I see God as a neutral thing. But I also see God as sentient, but sentient in a way beyond our understanding. So I would agree that science proves God, but maybe not in the same way others perceive it. I don't see God as a human-like entity living in ';heaven'; and pulling out the chemistry set when he's bored.
Yes and everywhere there is perfect mathematical uniformity that
is so precise that science can predict the existence of something with absolute accuracy even before it is actually discovered.
The only conclusion that science has come up with is that there is something grater than science,GOD.
Jesus is the truth, the way and the life!
';Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One';
(Shema Yisrael Adonai eloheinu Adonai ehad)
There is no proof either way. So it does not but it may sometime in the future.
I think your feelings on this issue depend on which side of the evolution/creation debate you're on. Supporters of creation will use natural ';order'; to justify their belief in the existence of a higher deity, while proponents of evolution will cite natural selection as proof that God doesn't exist.
this idea that it has to be for one or the other is a common misconception among both atheists, and theists. if i were to say there was a god, than could you disprove that with the given information in thi bout of text, no. you can neither prove nor disprove this. no you can use sciance to disprove certain ideas about a certain god, or are you just finding flaws in the texts that have occured due to humans fulty miscopying of them? sciance and church can work with, againced or seperate from one another. religion can work againce sciance though. for instance, stem cell reseach or other such things, we all have our side on the issues, but religion can play a part in our decisions on such subjects.
True, and so much more, they teach us how to find our true self and are path ways to God.
What was the question? Please be more specific.
Your analogy at the end is apt, but does not address the point at issue. Scientific laws are completely indifferent to the concept of god, and do not offer evidence on that subject one way or the other. The quote you cited does not take into account the effects of natural selection, which is a potent generator of information: it separates things that work from things that don't, and eliminates the latter.
Sir Fred Hoyle also believed that insects were intelligent, and were hiding this from us.
And Kent Hovind, a leading Creationist, was just found guilty of tax fraud. He could go to prison for the rest of his life.
You are judged by the company you keep.
sounds good
I agree...but then, I already know God created the universe.
I agree with u,,
Yeah, it's like the ';intelligent design'; thing. No way was all of this...life and all of its wonder and complexities, accidental.
It took a superior being to create us, the earth and everything on it.
I've said this answer many times, and many people say the same. This is consistent with an intelligent creator but does nothing to prove its existence.
Yes! The more discoveries they make more questions are raised than are answered. Some people embarked on a path of science thinking it would disprove or lead away from God, but they are actually proving the existence and are on a path to God.
Well, seeing as how there is ZERO evidence for theism, scientific laws are not evidence for it.
For people of true faith, evidence for (of course).
For people without faith, evidence against (obviously).
Depends on the bias of the particular audience.
According to Angels and demons by Dan Brown True
The chance analogy is akin to the infinite no of monkeys with their infinite no of typewriters, eventually writing Shakespeare - their point was that despite the odds being fantastically against it, such life forms developed anyway. You need to grasp that to appreciate the extraordinary nature of the universe around you and life on earth. Your version (';God did it';) is simplistic and lazy.
Supports.
False. Scientific laws are constant. God is a flip flopper - look at how much his personality changed ebtween the OT and NT... And the Boeing 747 is a terrible argument. Life forms cannot be compared to non-animate objects that require a creator...
Think of it this way....you probably beleive a Creator made us because we are so copmplex, right? just like a watch or plane requires a creator because it is so complex, right? But, if complexity means that a creator is required, we must assume that the creator is more complex than that which he creates... Following that logic then, it would seem that if God created mankind, then God is extremely complex. And thus, being so complex, he too requires a creator... So, who created God?
You cannot fight that logic. You can lie your way around it, but you cant fight it.
In a sealed indictment, ';evidence'; and ';testimony'; under oath later proven false in trial, can't sue gov't.
Threatened witnesses lied, ATF threatens friends, family, issues press releases for intimidation. Goes on for several years. Front page of newspaper, all local channels also at least 6 times. Even CNN once!
Ruins family business and leaves the mess all behind. Cost us everything, tax dollars paid for our own prosecution. US attorney's office is repromanded for taking case to begin with after truth is revealed.
However, now I can not sue any one because I was ';found guilty by a jury of my peers....';
Referring to the indictment that was sealed and I had no idea was even happening. The whole sealed indictment was based on false information.
Where's the justice???In a sealed indictment, ';evidence'; and ';testimony'; under oath later proven false in trial, can't sue gov't.
I don't understand your question. Your indictment was based on lies; these lies were exposed at trial; yet you were found guilty by a jury. This makes no sense without a LOT more info. Ask your lawyer.
Ruins family business and leaves the mess all behind. Cost us everything, tax dollars paid for our own prosecution. US attorney's office is repromanded for taking case to begin with after truth is revealed.
However, now I can not sue any one because I was ';found guilty by a jury of my peers....';
Referring to the indictment that was sealed and I had no idea was even happening. The whole sealed indictment was based on false information.
Where's the justice???In a sealed indictment, ';evidence'; and ';testimony'; under oath later proven false in trial, can't sue gov't.
I don't understand your question. Your indictment was based on lies; these lies were exposed at trial; yet you were found guilty by a jury. This makes no sense without a LOT more info. Ask your lawyer.
Christians, what evidence do you have that evolution is false and god is true?
Lets have a little debate. It will be fun :)Christians, what evidence do you have that evolution is false and god is true?
Evolution is just a theory dude...like the big bang
theories are NOT fact...from a scientific view, which is what you want...all scientific resources.
I stand corrected. You proved my point...theories are used to explain something from tests that yield the SAME results. Evolution has failed to prove that. Evolution cannot prove the origins of humans based on arbitrary bones...that's why it's called a theory...you want to argue science? Then argue it ';correctly';
Johny: So you would disregard all your logic, any sense of judgment, all your senses and scientific evidence that can otherwise be proven...just to distort the truth to believe in the
illicit cause of the masses? So if you were told that 2 + 2 is NOT 4, then you would believe that regardless of your logic?
Excuse me for my ignorance, you don't have any logic.Christians, what evidence do you have that evolution is false and god is true?
I'm not an anthropologist, but...it seems to me that if apes could evolve into human beings in 20,000 years...then human beings today would be significantly more evolved than human beings 6000 years ago...and we're not. If you don't believe ancient humans were as smart as us, take a closer look how much Galileo and Isaac Newton accomplished without the use of a calculator! (I so couldn't do that even with my 'highly evolved' brain.)
I stopped believing in evolution when I entered college and was told that all the ';laws'; and theories that had been taught as ';Fact'; in high school were actually just ';ideas which experimentation consistently supports.'; In other words...we can't prove it's not true.
Evolution? Sorry, guys, but most mutations cause an organism to become sterile--or to die. And yet enough occurred spontaneously to change apes into humans in a few thousand years? I'm having trouble. The most successful examples of mutations I can think of were the work of farmers and breeders (see the happy influence of the Caretaker!)
If you read the Bible carefully, you will notice that it tells us the Lord created the heavens and the earth, but it doesn't exactly specify how. If you accept the idea that ';God can do anything'; than you accept that He can make 4.5 billion years of evolution take place in a few days--and I'm thinking that's how He did it!
that's only my opinion, however. If you'd like to see more ';scientific evidence'; for Creation, please check out the Creation Museum in St. Petersburg, KY. What you learn may surprise and enlighten you.
I am a Christian, and I hope I won't be mocked or brushed aside for this discussion, since you wanted ';a little debate';. Here are some stuff, nothing that can make you state without doubt that God is true, but nevertheless:
First, Scientists are searching for life on Mars declare that for life to exist, one must have water, light and atmosphere. ';In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth, and the Earth was without form, and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was upon the face of the waters. And God said, 鈥淟et there be light, and there was light.'; Here, we have water and light. Mind, this was before human beings understood the concept of what's needed to create life. And since many think that Bible is written by men....
As well: ';And God said, Let there be an expanse between the waters to seperate water from water. So God made the expance and seperated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. God called hte expase 'sky'. '; And finally, we have the atmosphere. All these conditions were fulfilled before God created anything else.
Also, the evolution theory states that Human evolved from apes who evolved from a more disadvanced group... all the way till the primordial soup. I was wondering, if people cannot believe that life cannot come from a lifeless source, how does evolution theory work? Is it just about time? I'm not quite sure how this evolution theory works.... Help?
lol.... I took my time answering this question, and when I got back, there are so much more answers....
In addition, i have found this website. I havn't double checked all the resources, but if I find the time, I will. If anyone's willing to help : http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/inde鈥?/a>
And on final note (or not so final note) I do believe that if you believe, you will find evidence, but God makes it in such a way that the people when faced with evidence, could still put it aside and not believe - and that is free will. But that is my opinion only - I did not find it in bible, but in what i've been taught and what God told me
maybe because the supposed evidence for evolution is just theories based on not actual facts just a belief by scientist
the age of the earth was a assumption with no evidence
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.htm鈥?/a>
the dinosaurs did not evolve into birds as taught
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_a鈥?/a>
Man made bell found in lump of coal
The bituminous coal that was mined near a house in Upshur County West Virginia is supposed to be about 300 million years old! What is a brass bell with an iron clapper doing in coal ascribed to the Carboniferous Period?
Iron pot found in coal deposits
The coal from the Wilburton Coal Mines is assigned an evolutionary date of Mid Pennsylvanian (295 million years.)
before you even get into a debate with them--let them give us some clear archeological proof of the events of their bible. There is 0 archeological evidence of the ten plagues, exodous, wanderings, or even occupation of the ';promised land'; until about a millenia later. Let them explain why the noah story sounds like a rip off of the epic of giglamesh--let them explain why the moses myth sounds suspicously like the sumerian king sargon myth. Let them explain why the genesis account (creation of man from earth) sounds like the babylonian creation story. Toss in a little--why don't we find major events in the hebrew religion (like the temple curtain being ripped in two) in the jewish archives? Why there is no historical evidence of the jesus myth. Until they can properly defend their own religion--they don't have any business with commenting on evolution. They think ';cauyse the bible says so'; is an adequate answer--but until they prove their bible is actually something unique--the ';bible says so'; answser in meaningless.
I don't have an answer for you, I just came on here to see the replies. Plus I want the 2 points. Don't you just love it when Christians tell you that evolution and big band are just theories and not facts? They are assuming that the bible is fact. (shakes head)
I love this question, but I have to say that no true Christian is going to debate. They think that what they believe is the only truth and whatever anyone else thinks is false and they will burn in hell for it. I can't wait to see what they say though.
The burden of proof for evolution is on us that accept it. Luckily, there's plenty of evidence that it is in fact true..
And as someone else pointed out, most Christians do accept evolution.
they believe that the 7 days of earths creation were not a little 7 days. they think one day was like a whole era millions or billions of years. they think that god is behind the evolution process
@BornFree oh and its adam and eve not adam and ape
christians don't deny evolution at all we just believe that some greater being (God) must have let it happen and we believe that God is true because of faith and just the mere belief that there must be a greater Being than us that created us and everything else
Why is it you presume that one cannot be a Christian and STILL believe in Evolution and Science.
One does not exclude the other; it compliments it.
Take off your blinders and stop limiting yourself.
These people who say ';all the prophecies of the bible have come true'; are dumb. The Jewish writers were not writing to tell prophecies
Also note that Evolution does not explain how life got started, the abiogenesis
The great majority of Christians have no problem with evolution. Opposing scientific fact is certainly not part of genuine Christian teaching.
whi start a debate with them lol
they beleav in a book wrote by a bunch or random people that where so high they though som ';force was talking to them';
oh and plus they think 2 people lead to todays massiv population
I wouldn't say that evolution is impossible but I don't know that much about it either.
Why is everyone saying that the theory of evolution says we evolved from apes?
I think the only one who can prove God's existence to an atheist is God. All this time that christians waste arguing with atheists.. I believe they do it to give themselves an ego boost.
You know they won't argue. They'll just spout bible verses until you go away.
fireball's idea of a debate:
TIRH, belive or burn in hell 4ever! I win.
No one debates on here, what the hell are you smoking?
None what so ever.
The evidence that evolution is false is that no one ever sees anything evolving. There has never been anything produced to turn the evolution theory into proven fact. If there was, it would not be called a theory any more.
God is true, because I talk to him everyday and he helps me in my life.
He is as real to me as the nose on your face.
I also know he is real because he has Jehovah's Witnesses preaching in every language all over the world with the exact same material. The Watchtower is printed in about 38million copies a month (not including the Awake and study version of the Watchtower). This is the highest circulation magazine in the world. And there is no charge for it.
That is a modern day miracle.
EVOLUTION IS NOT....diseases adapting to become resistant to drugs).
EVOLUTION is one organism turning into a completely different organism.
Lots of things can adapt to changes. They do not however evolve.
And as far as.....';in nature (new species of flowers, mice, insects, etc. developing';
When has something EVOLVED??? never!
Do we see tulips turning into cabbages???? NO
That is why there continues to be an evolution THEORY.
THERE IS NO PROOF !
my faith alone is plenty for me, i cannot speak for anyone else. i have had countless events and situations that have brought me to my faith.
i wont debate the falsehood of evolution but rather stick to my belief in a Creator of all things.
-Christian
Every single prophecy in the Bible has come true or is coming true as we speak. Millions of people have been healed and made whole through the power of prayer. Thousands of people are delivered from the grip of drugs and pornography. What has teaching evolution produced?
When I felt the overwhelming sense of love come into me when I was born again I knew God and the Bible were all true. Evolution is a human teaching and is all false. Please pray a sincere prayer with all your heart admitting to Jesus you are a sinner. Have full faith that His blood pays off all your sins and accept His gift of everlasting life. I pray that God is kind to you and blesses you with peace. Amen.
Hmm, what was your argument ???????????? Oh yea, you cant prove a negative.
Have evidence of Evolution? Then collect $250000...
http://www.kent-hovind.com/250K/challeng鈥?/a>
umm...the Holy Bible!!!! Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. ITS THE FIRST VERSE!!! Ever!
Do you personally own a collection of bones you yourself dug up?
The Bible says its so. This is where faith comes in, if you want to believe you came from an ape, so be it.
None that would ever convince a mocker like YOU. Why should I waste my time when you're mind is already set in concrete?
the NT writers.
Evolution is just a theory dude...like the big bang
theories are NOT fact...from a scientific view, which is what you want...all scientific resources.
I stand corrected. You proved my point...theories are used to explain something from tests that yield the SAME results. Evolution has failed to prove that. Evolution cannot prove the origins of humans based on arbitrary bones...that's why it's called a theory...you want to argue science? Then argue it ';correctly';
Johny: So you would disregard all your logic, any sense of judgment, all your senses and scientific evidence that can otherwise be proven...just to distort the truth to believe in the
illicit cause of the masses? So if you were told that 2 + 2 is NOT 4, then you would believe that regardless of your logic?
Excuse me for my ignorance, you don't have any logic.Christians, what evidence do you have that evolution is false and god is true?
I'm not an anthropologist, but...it seems to me that if apes could evolve into human beings in 20,000 years...then human beings today would be significantly more evolved than human beings 6000 years ago...and we're not. If you don't believe ancient humans were as smart as us, take a closer look how much Galileo and Isaac Newton accomplished without the use of a calculator! (I so couldn't do that even with my 'highly evolved' brain.)
I stopped believing in evolution when I entered college and was told that all the ';laws'; and theories that had been taught as ';Fact'; in high school were actually just ';ideas which experimentation consistently supports.'; In other words...we can't prove it's not true.
Evolution? Sorry, guys, but most mutations cause an organism to become sterile--or to die. And yet enough occurred spontaneously to change apes into humans in a few thousand years? I'm having trouble. The most successful examples of mutations I can think of were the work of farmers and breeders (see the happy influence of the Caretaker!)
If you read the Bible carefully, you will notice that it tells us the Lord created the heavens and the earth, but it doesn't exactly specify how. If you accept the idea that ';God can do anything'; than you accept that He can make 4.5 billion years of evolution take place in a few days--and I'm thinking that's how He did it!
that's only my opinion, however. If you'd like to see more ';scientific evidence'; for Creation, please check out the Creation Museum in St. Petersburg, KY. What you learn may surprise and enlighten you.
I am a Christian, and I hope I won't be mocked or brushed aside for this discussion, since you wanted ';a little debate';. Here are some stuff, nothing that can make you state without doubt that God is true, but nevertheless:
First, Scientists are searching for life on Mars declare that for life to exist, one must have water, light and atmosphere. ';In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth, and the Earth was without form, and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was upon the face of the waters. And God said, 鈥淟et there be light, and there was light.'; Here, we have water and light. Mind, this was before human beings understood the concept of what's needed to create life. And since many think that Bible is written by men....
As well: ';And God said, Let there be an expanse between the waters to seperate water from water. So God made the expance and seperated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. God called hte expase 'sky'. '; And finally, we have the atmosphere. All these conditions were fulfilled before God created anything else.
Also, the evolution theory states that Human evolved from apes who evolved from a more disadvanced group... all the way till the primordial soup. I was wondering, if people cannot believe that life cannot come from a lifeless source, how does evolution theory work? Is it just about time? I'm not quite sure how this evolution theory works.... Help?
lol.... I took my time answering this question, and when I got back, there are so much more answers....
In addition, i have found this website. I havn't double checked all the resources, but if I find the time, I will. If anyone's willing to help : http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/inde鈥?/a>
And on final note (or not so final note) I do believe that if you believe, you will find evidence, but God makes it in such a way that the people when faced with evidence, could still put it aside and not believe - and that is free will. But that is my opinion only - I did not find it in bible, but in what i've been taught and what God told me
maybe because the supposed evidence for evolution is just theories based on not actual facts just a belief by scientist
the age of the earth was a assumption with no evidence
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.htm鈥?/a>
the dinosaurs did not evolve into birds as taught
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_a鈥?/a>
Man made bell found in lump of coal
The bituminous coal that was mined near a house in Upshur County West Virginia is supposed to be about 300 million years old! What is a brass bell with an iron clapper doing in coal ascribed to the Carboniferous Period?
Iron pot found in coal deposits
The coal from the Wilburton Coal Mines is assigned an evolutionary date of Mid Pennsylvanian (295 million years.)
before you even get into a debate with them--let them give us some clear archeological proof of the events of their bible. There is 0 archeological evidence of the ten plagues, exodous, wanderings, or even occupation of the ';promised land'; until about a millenia later. Let them explain why the noah story sounds like a rip off of the epic of giglamesh--let them explain why the moses myth sounds suspicously like the sumerian king sargon myth. Let them explain why the genesis account (creation of man from earth) sounds like the babylonian creation story. Toss in a little--why don't we find major events in the hebrew religion (like the temple curtain being ripped in two) in the jewish archives? Why there is no historical evidence of the jesus myth. Until they can properly defend their own religion--they don't have any business with commenting on evolution. They think ';cauyse the bible says so'; is an adequate answer--but until they prove their bible is actually something unique--the ';bible says so'; answser in meaningless.
I don't have an answer for you, I just came on here to see the replies. Plus I want the 2 points. Don't you just love it when Christians tell you that evolution and big band are just theories and not facts? They are assuming that the bible is fact. (shakes head)
I love this question, but I have to say that no true Christian is going to debate. They think that what they believe is the only truth and whatever anyone else thinks is false and they will burn in hell for it. I can't wait to see what they say though.
The burden of proof for evolution is on us that accept it. Luckily, there's plenty of evidence that it is in fact true..
And as someone else pointed out, most Christians do accept evolution.
they believe that the 7 days of earths creation were not a little 7 days. they think one day was like a whole era millions or billions of years. they think that god is behind the evolution process
@BornFree oh and its adam and eve not adam and ape
christians don't deny evolution at all we just believe that some greater being (God) must have let it happen and we believe that God is true because of faith and just the mere belief that there must be a greater Being than us that created us and everything else
Why is it you presume that one cannot be a Christian and STILL believe in Evolution and Science.
One does not exclude the other; it compliments it.
Take off your blinders and stop limiting yourself.
These people who say ';all the prophecies of the bible have come true'; are dumb. The Jewish writers were not writing to tell prophecies
Also note that Evolution does not explain how life got started, the abiogenesis
The great majority of Christians have no problem with evolution. Opposing scientific fact is certainly not part of genuine Christian teaching.
whi start a debate with them lol
they beleav in a book wrote by a bunch or random people that where so high they though som ';force was talking to them';
oh and plus they think 2 people lead to todays massiv population
I wouldn't say that evolution is impossible but I don't know that much about it either.
Why is everyone saying that the theory of evolution says we evolved from apes?
I think the only one who can prove God's existence to an atheist is God. All this time that christians waste arguing with atheists.. I believe they do it to give themselves an ego boost.
You know they won't argue. They'll just spout bible verses until you go away.
fireball's idea of a debate:
TIRH, belive or burn in hell 4ever! I win.
No one debates on here, what the hell are you smoking?
None what so ever.
The evidence that evolution is false is that no one ever sees anything evolving. There has never been anything produced to turn the evolution theory into proven fact. If there was, it would not be called a theory any more.
God is true, because I talk to him everyday and he helps me in my life.
He is as real to me as the nose on your face.
I also know he is real because he has Jehovah's Witnesses preaching in every language all over the world with the exact same material. The Watchtower is printed in about 38million copies a month (not including the Awake and study version of the Watchtower). This is the highest circulation magazine in the world. And there is no charge for it.
That is a modern day miracle.
EVOLUTION IS NOT....diseases adapting to become resistant to drugs).
EVOLUTION is one organism turning into a completely different organism.
Lots of things can adapt to changes. They do not however evolve.
And as far as.....';in nature (new species of flowers, mice, insects, etc. developing';
When has something EVOLVED??? never!
Do we see tulips turning into cabbages???? NO
That is why there continues to be an evolution THEORY.
THERE IS NO PROOF !
my faith alone is plenty for me, i cannot speak for anyone else. i have had countless events and situations that have brought me to my faith.
i wont debate the falsehood of evolution but rather stick to my belief in a Creator of all things.
-Christian
Every single prophecy in the Bible has come true or is coming true as we speak. Millions of people have been healed and made whole through the power of prayer. Thousands of people are delivered from the grip of drugs and pornography. What has teaching evolution produced?
When I felt the overwhelming sense of love come into me when I was born again I knew God and the Bible were all true. Evolution is a human teaching and is all false. Please pray a sincere prayer with all your heart admitting to Jesus you are a sinner. Have full faith that His blood pays off all your sins and accept His gift of everlasting life. I pray that God is kind to you and blesses you with peace. Amen.
Hmm, what was your argument ???????????? Oh yea, you cant prove a negative.
Have evidence of Evolution? Then collect $250000...
http://www.kent-hovind.com/250K/challeng鈥?/a>
umm...the Holy Bible!!!! Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. ITS THE FIRST VERSE!!! Ever!
Do you personally own a collection of bones you yourself dug up?
The Bible says its so. This is where faith comes in, if you want to believe you came from an ape, so be it.
None that would ever convince a mocker like YOU. Why should I waste my time when you're mind is already set in concrete?
the NT writers.
Is this evidence Hinduism is real and Christianity is false? im really scared?
I am a devout Christian. I go to church and worship. I worship all the time and try to follow the teachings of Jesus to the best of my ability. I put all my faith and trust in Him. Yet since my family and I converted to Hinduism a year ago we have had horrible karma. Both my grand parents died 3 months apart and they were only in their early 70s. My dad developed a weird blood clot in his leg which turned into gangrene and he needed an amputation. then my sister had a miscarriage. there are so many other things but theyre nothing compared to those major ones.
im starting to doubt that christianity is the true religion cuz these things are all too much and it all started right after conversion!!Is this evidence Hinduism is real and Christianity is false? im really scared?
Every religion is false.
Religion, the word itself means its false, since religion is the discipline or activity that tries to get in touch with the supernatural realm, something that doesn't exist.Is this evidence Hinduism is real and Christianity is false? im really scared?
wait you converted to hindusim but your a devout christian??
well what ever theres actually evidence that christianity and hinduism are the true religions and very little evidence about the others
maybe you're being punished for converting but i dont think you are coz god woudnt do that
Err - you are a devout Christian, yet you converted to Hinduism?
Since converting to Hinduism and leaving Christianity behind, your family have had a number of bad situations happen and you are blaming Christianity?
I'm confused.
Mike
It is only natural that you found Christianity because it is not much different from Hinduism.
Your uneasy feeling tells you that your quest for true religion has not been completed.Keep on searching.Salam.
Your religious beliefs do not decide blood clots or death in family. Nothing is proved or disproved
';Only in their early 70's.';
That's typically when people die.
Both are false.
Can I ask, why the coversion?
Well, let me be clear here. Why things didnt happen when u were in Hinduism is because in Hinduism, we have remedy for everything becoz God have said to do certain pariharam for certain bad doings. Above all that, a man's destiny and life is highly influenced by the planet's movements and such. (each planet brings certain wave power for the body and such). When u were in Hinduism, probably ur forefathers have done all those prayers to well that the planet's influence are unable to disturb u becoz of God's presence with the mantras and what not.
Now that u have left Hinduism, u have came out of the circle of protection and 100% exposed as u r a new born baby. Christianity has no any specific prayers like Hinduism has becoz its a new religion without any strong ground when it comes to things like this. Its more like a basic theory on how to live as a good human being, and praying to God in only 1 way. Not everyone can suit in that way, as we know man and woman varies in everything. Thats why probably u couldnt connect to God as fast as u expected once ur in Christianity.
I have seen many non Hindus comes to temple and does the significant prayers to the 9 Planets becoz they know this is missing in their religion.
Dont believe when the Christians tell u its nonsense, remember this, God has connected us to everything at everytime, The trees and such need the Sun's shine to grow, we need the trees to live, and the chain goes on.
Remember, the Mantra's power is 1000 times more powerful than any of the Christianity's prayers becoz it has been chanted probably 6000 years before Christianity even existed. Thus the power of it is very powerful. And not to mention Sanskrit is a very ancient language and has almost perfect things regarding the vocals and what not.
The OM sound, is already proven to be the ONLY sound that is available in the space becoz of the vacuum content in the space and the only sound that is ther is AUUUMMMMMMM.....
Now u decide, what u should do, becoz its not up to us giving answers for u to do what. Ask God !:)
EDIT :
to homechrch :
My dear fren, thats such a lame justification. Alright we go by ur own way, so if the person leaves Hinduism and converts to Chriistianity, which is the TRUE religion, doesnt this means The God will automatically protects the person who came to the REAL God?? Why does he let Devils attack his devotee?? Sounds very unGodly to me.
It sounds more like leaving Hinduism is like leaving God's Kingdom with all his blessing to a false religion which has NOTHING to offer in the sense of spiritually and protection, thats y bad evils are attacking the person :). Face it, ur religion is a weak religion :). It has no strong God pressence as in Hinduism. :)
Karma is a horrible belief!!! The testomony by Astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross may help you with doubts. Here is a little:
...I quickly discovered that all the major world religions are based on holy books, supposedly from God. However, I was a skeptic. Like the astronomers of my time, I upheld the ';Big Bang'; creation theory. I felt God must be impersonal and unconcerned for trivial human beings. Therefore, these holy books must be frauds, products of man's imagination. Energized by youthful pride, I decided to prove it. My yardstick would be the facts of history and science.
The way I saw it, God created the natural world where we see consistency and no contradiction. If this same God was communicating to us in written form, then it must be likewise: consistent and free of contradiction.
I went after each holy book, one by one. I searched for statements about nature and history, then tested them to see if they were accurate. First I tackled the 3,000-year-old Hindu Vedas. They claimed civilizations living on the back side of the moon and cities on the sun. After finding a couple dozen such absurdities, I confidently concluded the Vedas were a human product.
I moved on to the Buddhist writings, then to Islam's Koran and on through all the religions of the world. In each case, after several hours of study, I collected enough scientific and historical misstatements to convince me that each was of human origin.
I had a gut feeling the Bible would be the most difficult, so I saved it for last. After reading just two chapters, I saw that the Bible was different from the esoteric poetry of the other books. The Bible was direct and specific. It gave names, dates and places. My struggle with the other books was to find things to test. But every page of the Bible gave several things to be tested. The Koran had a dozen predictions; the Bible had 3,500! My notebook with historical and scientific statements that I tested and found accurate grew fat. But after two years, my notebook reserved for established errors lay empty.
I'll admit I found lots of unsolved problems, things I still can't understand today. But that didn't bother me, because that's exactly what we see in nature!
The Bible alone correctly predicted the birth and deeds of people by name-King Sirus, King Josiah, and the Messiah-sometimes hundreds of years before they were born. More than 200 predictions detail the return of the Jews to Israel, which I verified with articles in the London Times and the Jerusalem Post.
If we consider just 13 of the Bible's predictions, what's the probability that all 13 were coincidence? The answer is less than one chance in 10 to the 138th power. My friend, that number is so large that it means the Bible is more accurate than our most trusted laws of physics! This shocked me and sent me to my knees.
Hinduism is one of the oldest known organized religions鈥攊ts sacred writings date as far back as 1400 to 1500 B.C. It is also one of the most diverse and complex, having millions of gods. Hindus have a wide variety of core beliefs and exist in many different sects. Although it is the third largest religion in the world, Hinduism exists primarily in India and Nepal.
Christianity has one God who is both personal and knowable (Deuteronomy 6:5; 1 Corinthians 8:6); has one set of Scriptures; teaches that God created the earth and all who live upon it (Genesis 1:1; Hebrews 11:3); believes that man is created in God's image and lives only once (Genesis 1:27; Hebrews 9:27-28); and teaches that salvation is through Jesus Christ alone (John 3:16; 6:44; 14:6; Acts 4:12). Hinduism as a religious system fails because it fails to recognize Jesus as the uniquely incarnated God-Man and Savior, the one solely sufficient source of salvation for humanity.
What you experienced was not bad karma. Those medical conditions/death are natural occurances.
Hinduism is not a religion one can convert to. At the core it is atheistic. None of what you said has any bearing on the validity or otherwise of either religion. Hinduism does not prohibit worship of God in any form or no form
You are a Hindu if you say you are one. Otherwise otherwise.
Do not limit God to taking out on mere humans for deserting God. How can you go away from an infinite, all pervading Thing? You are within it whether you believe or not.
Read this poem by R.W. Emerson:
http://bartleby.com/101/672.html
Have you not read the couplet from Bhagavat Gita that asserts: ' As the rain falling from the sky ultimately reaches the ocean, so does worship of all Gods reaches God.'
Don't you realise that, when you come out of the darkness into the light, you're bound to get spiritual attacks? This sort of thing happens to people who've become Christian from any background which has to do with occult spirits.
See this quote from St. Paul who, though he did not wish to offend people of other faiths, nevertheless had no illusions as to what pagans were into!
1Co 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
If you have turned from Hinduism truly to Christianity, you have indeed passed from darkness into light. So, don't expect the spirits to give in without a fight, they're going to contest the territory!
It sounds to me like you haven't left all your Hindu thinking behind, saying things like 'horrible karma'. No wonder these things are still affecting you. Get rid, have a good clear out, of anything and everything to do with Hinduism, for by holding onto these beliefs, or onto books, or statues, or any other artefacts, etc., you are giving them a right to stay and continue to afflict you. You can't mix Christianity with Hinduism. This is not God who is doing this to you, this is the spirits of your dark past.
Remember what the early Christians did, when they converted to Christianity from paganism? They burned all their witchcraft books and everything to do with the old life (Acts 19:19) 'before all men'. Not only that, to prove that they were totally finished with that old life and had truly repented, they also passed through the waters of baptism, signifying death to all these things, and emergence into newness of life. Have you done these things or have you gone only half-way?
im starting to doubt that christianity is the true religion cuz these things are all too much and it all started right after conversion!!Is this evidence Hinduism is real and Christianity is false? im really scared?
Every religion is false.
Religion, the word itself means its false, since religion is the discipline or activity that tries to get in touch with the supernatural realm, something that doesn't exist.Is this evidence Hinduism is real and Christianity is false? im really scared?
wait you converted to hindusim but your a devout christian??
well what ever theres actually evidence that christianity and hinduism are the true religions and very little evidence about the others
maybe you're being punished for converting but i dont think you are coz god woudnt do that
Err - you are a devout Christian, yet you converted to Hinduism?
Since converting to Hinduism and leaving Christianity behind, your family have had a number of bad situations happen and you are blaming Christianity?
I'm confused.
Mike
It is only natural that you found Christianity because it is not much different from Hinduism.
Your uneasy feeling tells you that your quest for true religion has not been completed.Keep on searching.Salam.
Your religious beliefs do not decide blood clots or death in family. Nothing is proved or disproved
';Only in their early 70's.';
That's typically when people die.
Both are false.
Can I ask, why the coversion?
Well, let me be clear here. Why things didnt happen when u were in Hinduism is because in Hinduism, we have remedy for everything becoz God have said to do certain pariharam for certain bad doings. Above all that, a man's destiny and life is highly influenced by the planet's movements and such. (each planet brings certain wave power for the body and such). When u were in Hinduism, probably ur forefathers have done all those prayers to well that the planet's influence are unable to disturb u becoz of God's presence with the mantras and what not.
Now that u have left Hinduism, u have came out of the circle of protection and 100% exposed as u r a new born baby. Christianity has no any specific prayers like Hinduism has becoz its a new religion without any strong ground when it comes to things like this. Its more like a basic theory on how to live as a good human being, and praying to God in only 1 way. Not everyone can suit in that way, as we know man and woman varies in everything. Thats why probably u couldnt connect to God as fast as u expected once ur in Christianity.
I have seen many non Hindus comes to temple and does the significant prayers to the 9 Planets becoz they know this is missing in their religion.
Dont believe when the Christians tell u its nonsense, remember this, God has connected us to everything at everytime, The trees and such need the Sun's shine to grow, we need the trees to live, and the chain goes on.
Remember, the Mantra's power is 1000 times more powerful than any of the Christianity's prayers becoz it has been chanted probably 6000 years before Christianity even existed. Thus the power of it is very powerful. And not to mention Sanskrit is a very ancient language and has almost perfect things regarding the vocals and what not.
The OM sound, is already proven to be the ONLY sound that is available in the space becoz of the vacuum content in the space and the only sound that is ther is AUUUMMMMMMM.....
Now u decide, what u should do, becoz its not up to us giving answers for u to do what. Ask God !:)
EDIT :
to homechrch :
My dear fren, thats such a lame justification. Alright we go by ur own way, so if the person leaves Hinduism and converts to Chriistianity, which is the TRUE religion, doesnt this means The God will automatically protects the person who came to the REAL God?? Why does he let Devils attack his devotee?? Sounds very unGodly to me.
It sounds more like leaving Hinduism is like leaving God's Kingdom with all his blessing to a false religion which has NOTHING to offer in the sense of spiritually and protection, thats y bad evils are attacking the person :). Face it, ur religion is a weak religion :). It has no strong God pressence as in Hinduism. :)
Karma is a horrible belief!!! The testomony by Astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross may help you with doubts. Here is a little:
...I quickly discovered that all the major world religions are based on holy books, supposedly from God. However, I was a skeptic. Like the astronomers of my time, I upheld the ';Big Bang'; creation theory. I felt God must be impersonal and unconcerned for trivial human beings. Therefore, these holy books must be frauds, products of man's imagination. Energized by youthful pride, I decided to prove it. My yardstick would be the facts of history and science.
The way I saw it, God created the natural world where we see consistency and no contradiction. If this same God was communicating to us in written form, then it must be likewise: consistent and free of contradiction.
I went after each holy book, one by one. I searched for statements about nature and history, then tested them to see if they were accurate. First I tackled the 3,000-year-old Hindu Vedas. They claimed civilizations living on the back side of the moon and cities on the sun. After finding a couple dozen such absurdities, I confidently concluded the Vedas were a human product.
I moved on to the Buddhist writings, then to Islam's Koran and on through all the religions of the world. In each case, after several hours of study, I collected enough scientific and historical misstatements to convince me that each was of human origin.
I had a gut feeling the Bible would be the most difficult, so I saved it for last. After reading just two chapters, I saw that the Bible was different from the esoteric poetry of the other books. The Bible was direct and specific. It gave names, dates and places. My struggle with the other books was to find things to test. But every page of the Bible gave several things to be tested. The Koran had a dozen predictions; the Bible had 3,500! My notebook with historical and scientific statements that I tested and found accurate grew fat. But after two years, my notebook reserved for established errors lay empty.
I'll admit I found lots of unsolved problems, things I still can't understand today. But that didn't bother me, because that's exactly what we see in nature!
The Bible alone correctly predicted the birth and deeds of people by name-King Sirus, King Josiah, and the Messiah-sometimes hundreds of years before they were born. More than 200 predictions detail the return of the Jews to Israel, which I verified with articles in the London Times and the Jerusalem Post.
If we consider just 13 of the Bible's predictions, what's the probability that all 13 were coincidence? The answer is less than one chance in 10 to the 138th power. My friend, that number is so large that it means the Bible is more accurate than our most trusted laws of physics! This shocked me and sent me to my knees.
Hinduism is one of the oldest known organized religions鈥攊ts sacred writings date as far back as 1400 to 1500 B.C. It is also one of the most diverse and complex, having millions of gods. Hindus have a wide variety of core beliefs and exist in many different sects. Although it is the third largest religion in the world, Hinduism exists primarily in India and Nepal.
Christianity has one God who is both personal and knowable (Deuteronomy 6:5; 1 Corinthians 8:6); has one set of Scriptures; teaches that God created the earth and all who live upon it (Genesis 1:1; Hebrews 11:3); believes that man is created in God's image and lives only once (Genesis 1:27; Hebrews 9:27-28); and teaches that salvation is through Jesus Christ alone (John 3:16; 6:44; 14:6; Acts 4:12). Hinduism as a religious system fails because it fails to recognize Jesus as the uniquely incarnated God-Man and Savior, the one solely sufficient source of salvation for humanity.
What you experienced was not bad karma. Those medical conditions/death are natural occurances.
Hinduism is not a religion one can convert to. At the core it is atheistic. None of what you said has any bearing on the validity or otherwise of either religion. Hinduism does not prohibit worship of God in any form or no form
You are a Hindu if you say you are one. Otherwise otherwise.
Do not limit God to taking out on mere humans for deserting God. How can you go away from an infinite, all pervading Thing? You are within it whether you believe or not.
Read this poem by R.W. Emerson:
http://bartleby.com/101/672.html
Have you not read the couplet from Bhagavat Gita that asserts: ' As the rain falling from the sky ultimately reaches the ocean, so does worship of all Gods reaches God.'
Don't you realise that, when you come out of the darkness into the light, you're bound to get spiritual attacks? This sort of thing happens to people who've become Christian from any background which has to do with occult spirits.
See this quote from St. Paul who, though he did not wish to offend people of other faiths, nevertheless had no illusions as to what pagans were into!
1Co 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
If you have turned from Hinduism truly to Christianity, you have indeed passed from darkness into light. So, don't expect the spirits to give in without a fight, they're going to contest the territory!
It sounds to me like you haven't left all your Hindu thinking behind, saying things like 'horrible karma'. No wonder these things are still affecting you. Get rid, have a good clear out, of anything and everything to do with Hinduism, for by holding onto these beliefs, or onto books, or statues, or any other artefacts, etc., you are giving them a right to stay and continue to afflict you. You can't mix Christianity with Hinduism. This is not God who is doing this to you, this is the spirits of your dark past.
Remember what the early Christians did, when they converted to Christianity from paganism? They burned all their witchcraft books and everything to do with the old life (Acts 19:19) 'before all men'. Not only that, to prove that they were totally finished with that old life and had truly repented, they also passed through the waters of baptism, signifying death to all these things, and emergence into newness of life. Have you done these things or have you gone only half-way?
True of false: Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs are not based on evidence or logic but on the AUTHORITY?
of the Watchtower Society.True of false: Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs are not based on evidence or logic but on the AUTHORITY?
That would be a big TRUE
that brings to mind an organization statement that the Governing Body was better informed than Noah Was! Think about this: Who gave Noah his directives? The Voice of GOD. How arrogant the Governing Body is. Witnesses better start paying attention to what is right before their eyes.True of false: Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs are not based on evidence or logic but on the AUTHORITY?
As you made billions of Christians look equally whacky.
Some research could save you from embarrassing yourself again.
I could get pimples anyway upon English Noah humbug.
Leviathan was no whale, but how could a monolingual bible
falsifyer know that - without Hebrew and Greek knowledge.
God's voice my butt. Tinnitus maybe.
True:
It kind of reminds me of the Catholic Church, they follow the Church first and the Bible second.
The Jehovah's Witnesses follow the Governing Body first, and the scriptures second, except they don't have the benefit of accurate scripture to follow.
I remember that when I was a Witness, I was told that you have to have the Watchtower Societies literature to gain truth out of the Bible....This is dogma that people should RUN from.
They have to do something because their New Testament was translated into English by someone that had to admit in a court proceeding that she could not read Greek it was supposed to have been translated from.
TRUE = It's called in the Bible, 'the blind leading the blind' - Matt. 15:14 = = and the end result, so Jesus tells us, is that they both fall into the ditch. How sad.
False.
Despite the protestations of anti-Witness activists, Jehovah's Witnesses consider the Bible to be the only infallible inspired means of determining God's will and purposes. Jehovah's Witnesses consider the Holy Scriptures as the final word in all matters of worship, and actually encourage their adherents to elevate the bible over the human traditions which pass as worship for too many humans.
(Matthew 15:3,9) [Jesus] said to them: “Why is it you also overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition? ...It is in vain that they keep worshiping [God], because they teach commands of men as doctrines.
(Mark 7:8) Letting go the commandment of God, you hold fast the tradition of men.
(Colossians 2:8) Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ
The many fine publications of Jehovah's Witnesses could no more replace the bible than a pair of eyeglasses could replace the eyes.
Learn more:
http://watchtower.org/bible/2ti/chapter_…
http://watchtower.org/e/19991115/article…
http://watchtower.org/e/t13/article_01.h…
http://watchtower.org/e/20010801/article…
http://watchtower.org/e/20000622/article…
http://watchtower.org/e/20050715/article…
http://watchtower.org/e/19981001/article…
False. If there were such a turn, everyone would be encouraged to look at the evidence themselves.
The beliefs I held before I became a Witness were definitely not based on logic- for example, I believed in a 3-in-1 God, who had a part that prayed to the other parts...........
As usual my freidns answer get deleted. teh wimpy jw's can't get there answers straigt and they are cowards. i'll post my friends answer.
True. I agree with you Nina. In fact, since watchtower beliefs take precedence over the Bible then if I remember right wouldn't that be idolatry? If I remember right, one of the Ten Commandments is ' Thou shalt not commit idolatry.'
This is true, their beliefs are based on whatever the watchtower society tells them. JW's are warned against independent thinking as the society calls it. They can even be disciplined or disfellowshipped for asking the wrong questions. They come to your home asking you if you want a free home bible study and they don't study the bible. The first thing they give you is watchtower literature. I thought when you have a bible study you use only the bible. They cannot function without that literature.
False
No religion is based on logic or evidence
Pardon me if I'm stretching an analogy, here, but this is a lot like saying,
';True of false: The Honda Accord's engine is not based on nuclear power or bioelectricity but on FOSSIL FUELS.';
Technically true, but why would you single out just kind of car?
The Mormons are just as bad as the JWs in this area.
Its really sad.
Satan has truely deceived these people.
Pastor Art
TRUE. Jw's are a cult and a misrepresentation of the bible. Have a nice night.
FALSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE ONLY AUTHORITY THEY ARE BASED ON IS GOD'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…
Same as Christianity, indeed.
But for some reasons they didn't follow
a Bible revision in the 19th century, that seems
clearly to contradict your 'sycophant' assumptions.
They are sort of 'late orthodox' - too late in my view.
';We are convinced that the WT is God's chosen vessel for dispensing ';meat in due season'; (WT 1/1890, p 1171)
';The Lord has a particular messanger commissioned as his representative'; (WT 6/1/1905, p.3570)
Russell referred to his words as ';the truths I present as God's mouthpiece'; (WT 7/15/1906, p. 3821)
';Angels hear the instructions and then pass it on to the remnant; they have been doing so since 1919 (Vindication, V. 3, p. 250)
';Those in the truth got there by the ministry of Russell. To repudiate his work is equivalent to a repudiation of the Lord.'; (WT 5/1/22, p. 132)
';The servant now acts under the direction and supervision of Jesus Christ (WT 6/1/38, p. 164)
God is using the WT for means of communication (1939 Yearbook, p. 85)
';If we have love for Jehovha, and for the organization of his people, we shall not be suspicious, but shall, as the Bible says, 'believe all things', all the things that the WT brings out.'; (Qualified '55, p. 1560
';The slave class is the sole channel of biblical truth';. (WT 7/15/60, p. 439)
';Jehovah's theocratically controlled organization, under the immediate direction of Jehovah God himself.'; (WT 6/1/65, p. 352)
';The organization is controlled altogether by God and by the forces he operates';. (WT 8/1/72, p. 460)
';Jehovah caused the Bible to be written in such a way that you need his human channel to understand it';. (WT 2/15/81, p. 17)
';Jehovah is not pleased if we receive that food as though it might contain something harmful. We should have confidence in the channel God is using';. (WT 2/15/81, p. 19)
';Avoid independent thinking. . . questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization';. (WT 1/15/83, p.22)
';Fight against independent thinking';. (WT 1/15/83, p.27)
Inddependent thinking is condemned as dangerous because it ';is an evidence of pride';. (WT 1/15/83, p.27)
';To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.'; (WT 2/15/83, p. 12)
The point? The WT has belabored the same points since its inception: In order to be accepted by God, the JW MUST obey the org. because it is the only channel of communication from God. It is akin to the ark of salvation since one cannot be saved without cleaving to the org. and all of its teachings. To disobey, doubt, defect, etc. is death. Why? Because the WT SAYS SO. Period.
Is there any Biblical evidence that God would ever authorize an organization to be his sole channel of communication? NO. NOT ONE SOLITARY VERSE to be found anywhere. The WT is the authority JWs look to because the WT says they must. End of story.
Absolutely.
You are correct.
A couple verses about modesty have been made into:
Dress according to their rules at the Kingdom Halls, conventions, and in service with no exceptions.
1. Men must wear dress pants with dress shirts and ties.
2. Men cannot wear jeans or casual clothes to the Kingdom Hall.
3. Baptized men cannot have a beard in most places.
4. Men cannot have long hair.
5. A woman can't hold a position of responsibility in the congregation
6. Women must be in full submission to their husbands.
7. Women and small girls must wear dresses or skirts.
8. No skirts or dresses that are above the knee at any time.
9. If you are a woman you can't pray aloud in the presence of baptized men.
10. Cannot pray or be part of a public skit like presentation without a covering on your head.
11. Cannot wear pants to the Kingdom Hall if you are a female.
12. No pierced ears if male, other body parts if female.
13. No tattoes male or female.
Who cares what you think you have to prove with facts and the facts are that the same people who told you that are the same that is ivnvolved in politics and supporting the war and now supporting Mitt Romney.
and you want something more illogical than Trinity Jesus is his father his son ad his own holy spirit but three persons but one but not one but three.
';And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone'; Matthew 4:6
Here satan uses scripture to tempt Christ.
Now here is the scripture satan was referring to, Note what he leaves off.
';For he shall give his angels charge over thee, { to keep thee in all thy ways} '; Psalms 91:11.
Here is a picture of what the JW's do, and all that practice deception.
That Question Reminds me of the Following Nina:
An incomplete picture of God’s Word can be dangerous without the full picture, one could easily be misled into thinking that they are serving God while doing something diametrically opposed to his will. Jesus warned his followers concerning such remarks as mentioned here : “In fact, the hour is coming when everyone that kills you will imagine he has rendered a sacred service to God.” (John 16:2) The people back then may have been sincere in their killing Christ’s followers, but they were wrong. Paul tells us what their problem was: “For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge.” (Rom. 10:2)
Perhaps this speaks of Those against Jehovah's People..
A point of clarification needed re mesquite's answer: The New World Translation covers both the Old and the New Testament. Five men were responsible for this translation and only one had adequate schooling and background to function as a critical Bible translator. His name was Frederick W Franz. In a Scottish Court of Sessions trial in November 1954, he was unable to translate the Hebrew of Genesis 2:4 when invited to do so by an Attorney (Pursuer's Proof pp7, 102, 103).
Now, to your question. Christian beliefs are based on what God tells us in the Bible. However, those beliefs are not always logical! Take the doctrine of the triune nature of the Godhead as an example. However, they can always be backed up by evidence from God's word.
As a former JW I understand why they claim that what they believe is based on the authority of Scripture. So when we take the beliefs of the JW's and hold them up against Scripture then we can see whether or not their beliefs are Biblical. Given the way they have deliberately changed words in their translation of the Bible to suit their own beliefs, then it becomes clear that they are preaching a false gospel.
Regarding authority, I agree with you. The Governing Body tells them what to think, what to say, how to dress, how to live and anyone who disagrees had better look out. The fear of expulsion and shunning is used to keep people in line. Yet there should be no fear in love because perfect love drives out fear. That is not how the Watch Tower Society operates. Their final authority is not scripture - it is the Governing Body and the elders who carry out their demands.
You could make that argument about Christianity. In fact it would work. Minus the Watchtower part.
In what way is this different than any other religion?
False, our beliefs are based on the bible and history.
you are not right. what are you basing your accusations on.
Their beliefs are based on the Bible
Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the Bible. The Old AND New Testament. While they have published their own translation, ALL translations are valid and compared in study.
The Watchtower Society and Governing body are just men, their publications are HUMAN publications and are not claimed to be inspired of god. As such, Witnesses study the BIBLE and follow the bible's godly wisdom and principles.
Anything else you hear is false, made up by those wishing to discredit the bible and its followers.
Isaiah 43:10-12
If you would take the time to examine the watchtower and Awake magazines, you would find that the subjects are quotations from the work of others as well as studies from the bible. We examine what meanings can be drawn from the scriptures and have in depth discussions about what has been presented.
Anyone has the chance to interpret what they have learned.
However, we have also learned that Jesus was correct when he said there would be hatred and dissension about our working for him.
I have also noted there are far more misquotes from those who don't understand, than there are praises from those who do and cheer us on!
That would be a big TRUE
that brings to mind an organization statement that the Governing Body was better informed than Noah Was! Think about this: Who gave Noah his directives? The Voice of GOD. How arrogant the Governing Body is. Witnesses better start paying attention to what is right before their eyes.True of false: Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs are not based on evidence or logic but on the AUTHORITY?
As you made billions of Christians look equally whacky.
Some research could save you from embarrassing yourself again.
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I could get pimples anyway upon English Noah humbug.
Leviathan was no whale, but how could a monolingual bible
falsifyer know that - without Hebrew and Greek knowledge.
God's voice my butt. Tinnitus maybe.
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True:
It kind of reminds me of the Catholic Church, they follow the Church first and the Bible second.
The Jehovah's Witnesses follow the Governing Body first, and the scriptures second, except they don't have the benefit of accurate scripture to follow.
I remember that when I was a Witness, I was told that you have to have the Watchtower Societies literature to gain truth out of the Bible....This is dogma that people should RUN from.
They have to do something because their New Testament was translated into English by someone that had to admit in a court proceeding that she could not read Greek it was supposed to have been translated from.
TRUE = It's called in the Bible, 'the blind leading the blind' - Matt. 15:14 = = and the end result, so Jesus tells us, is that they both fall into the ditch. How sad.
False.
Despite the protestations of anti-Witness activists, Jehovah's Witnesses consider the Bible to be the only infallible inspired means of determining God's will and purposes. Jehovah's Witnesses consider the Holy Scriptures as the final word in all matters of worship, and actually encourage their adherents to elevate the bible over the human traditions which pass as worship for too many humans.
(Matthew 15:3,9) [Jesus] said to them: “Why is it you also overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition? ...It is in vain that they keep worshiping [God], because they teach commands of men as doctrines.
(Mark 7:8) Letting go the commandment of God, you hold fast the tradition of men.
(Colossians 2:8) Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ
The many fine publications of Jehovah's Witnesses could no more replace the bible than a pair of eyeglasses could replace the eyes.
Learn more:
http://watchtower.org/bible/2ti/chapter_…
http://watchtower.org/e/19991115/article…
http://watchtower.org/e/t13/article_01.h…
http://watchtower.org/e/20010801/article…
http://watchtower.org/e/20000622/article…
http://watchtower.org/e/20050715/article…
http://watchtower.org/e/19981001/article…
False. If there were such a turn, everyone would be encouraged to look at the evidence themselves.
The beliefs I held before I became a Witness were definitely not based on logic- for example, I believed in a 3-in-1 God, who had a part that prayed to the other parts...........
As usual my freidns answer get deleted. teh wimpy jw's can't get there answers straigt and they are cowards. i'll post my friends answer.
True. I agree with you Nina. In fact, since watchtower beliefs take precedence over the Bible then if I remember right wouldn't that be idolatry? If I remember right, one of the Ten Commandments is ' Thou shalt not commit idolatry.'
This is true, their beliefs are based on whatever the watchtower society tells them. JW's are warned against independent thinking as the society calls it. They can even be disciplined or disfellowshipped for asking the wrong questions. They come to your home asking you if you want a free home bible study and they don't study the bible. The first thing they give you is watchtower literature. I thought when you have a bible study you use only the bible. They cannot function without that literature.
False
No religion is based on logic or evidence
Pardon me if I'm stretching an analogy, here, but this is a lot like saying,
';True of false: The Honda Accord's engine is not based on nuclear power or bioelectricity but on FOSSIL FUELS.';
Technically true, but why would you single out just kind of car?
The Mormons are just as bad as the JWs in this area.
Its really sad.
Satan has truely deceived these people.
Pastor Art
TRUE. Jw's are a cult and a misrepresentation of the bible. Have a nice night.
FALSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE ONLY AUTHORITY THEY ARE BASED ON IS GOD'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…
Same as Christianity, indeed.
But for some reasons they didn't follow
a Bible revision in the 19th century, that seems
clearly to contradict your 'sycophant' assumptions.
They are sort of 'late orthodox' - too late in my view.
';We are convinced that the WT is God's chosen vessel for dispensing ';meat in due season'; (WT 1/1890, p 1171)
';The Lord has a particular messanger commissioned as his representative'; (WT 6/1/1905, p.3570)
Russell referred to his words as ';the truths I present as God's mouthpiece'; (WT 7/15/1906, p. 3821)
';Angels hear the instructions and then pass it on to the remnant; they have been doing so since 1919 (Vindication, V. 3, p. 250)
';Those in the truth got there by the ministry of Russell. To repudiate his work is equivalent to a repudiation of the Lord.'; (WT 5/1/22, p. 132)
';The servant now acts under the direction and supervision of Jesus Christ (WT 6/1/38, p. 164)
God is using the WT for means of communication (1939 Yearbook, p. 85)
';If we have love for Jehovha, and for the organization of his people, we shall not be suspicious, but shall, as the Bible says, 'believe all things', all the things that the WT brings out.'; (Qualified '55, p. 1560
';The slave class is the sole channel of biblical truth';. (WT 7/15/60, p. 439)
';Jehovah's theocratically controlled organization, under the immediate direction of Jehovah God himself.'; (WT 6/1/65, p. 352)
';The organization is controlled altogether by God and by the forces he operates';. (WT 8/1/72, p. 460)
';Jehovah caused the Bible to be written in such a way that you need his human channel to understand it';. (WT 2/15/81, p. 17)
';Jehovah is not pleased if we receive that food as though it might contain something harmful. We should have confidence in the channel God is using';. (WT 2/15/81, p. 19)
';Avoid independent thinking. . . questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization';. (WT 1/15/83, p.22)
';Fight against independent thinking';. (WT 1/15/83, p.27)
Inddependent thinking is condemned as dangerous because it ';is an evidence of pride';. (WT 1/15/83, p.27)
';To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.'; (WT 2/15/83, p. 12)
The point? The WT has belabored the same points since its inception: In order to be accepted by God, the JW MUST obey the org. because it is the only channel of communication from God. It is akin to the ark of salvation since one cannot be saved without cleaving to the org. and all of its teachings. To disobey, doubt, defect, etc. is death. Why? Because the WT SAYS SO. Period.
Is there any Biblical evidence that God would ever authorize an organization to be his sole channel of communication? NO. NOT ONE SOLITARY VERSE to be found anywhere. The WT is the authority JWs look to because the WT says they must. End of story.
Absolutely.
You are correct.
A couple verses about modesty have been made into:
Dress according to their rules at the Kingdom Halls, conventions, and in service with no exceptions.
1. Men must wear dress pants with dress shirts and ties.
2. Men cannot wear jeans or casual clothes to the Kingdom Hall.
3. Baptized men cannot have a beard in most places.
4. Men cannot have long hair.
5. A woman can't hold a position of responsibility in the congregation
6. Women must be in full submission to their husbands.
7. Women and small girls must wear dresses or skirts.
8. No skirts or dresses that are above the knee at any time.
9. If you are a woman you can't pray aloud in the presence of baptized men.
10. Cannot pray or be part of a public skit like presentation without a covering on your head.
11. Cannot wear pants to the Kingdom Hall if you are a female.
12. No pierced ears if male, other body parts if female.
13. No tattoes male or female.
Who cares what you think you have to prove with facts and the facts are that the same people who told you that are the same that is ivnvolved in politics and supporting the war and now supporting Mitt Romney.
and you want something more illogical than Trinity Jesus is his father his son ad his own holy spirit but three persons but one but not one but three.
';And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone'; Matthew 4:6
Here satan uses scripture to tempt Christ.
Now here is the scripture satan was referring to, Note what he leaves off.
';For he shall give his angels charge over thee, { to keep thee in all thy ways} '; Psalms 91:11.
Here is a picture of what the JW's do, and all that practice deception.
That Question Reminds me of the Following Nina:
An incomplete picture of God’s Word can be dangerous without the full picture, one could easily be misled into thinking that they are serving God while doing something diametrically opposed to his will. Jesus warned his followers concerning such remarks as mentioned here : “In fact, the hour is coming when everyone that kills you will imagine he has rendered a sacred service to God.” (John 16:2) The people back then may have been sincere in their killing Christ’s followers, but they were wrong. Paul tells us what their problem was: “For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge.” (Rom. 10:2)
Perhaps this speaks of Those against Jehovah's People..
A point of clarification needed re mesquite's answer: The New World Translation covers both the Old and the New Testament. Five men were responsible for this translation and only one had adequate schooling and background to function as a critical Bible translator. His name was Frederick W Franz. In a Scottish Court of Sessions trial in November 1954, he was unable to translate the Hebrew of Genesis 2:4 when invited to do so by an Attorney (Pursuer's Proof pp7, 102, 103).
Now, to your question. Christian beliefs are based on what God tells us in the Bible. However, those beliefs are not always logical! Take the doctrine of the triune nature of the Godhead as an example. However, they can always be backed up by evidence from God's word.
As a former JW I understand why they claim that what they believe is based on the authority of Scripture. So when we take the beliefs of the JW's and hold them up against Scripture then we can see whether or not their beliefs are Biblical. Given the way they have deliberately changed words in their translation of the Bible to suit their own beliefs, then it becomes clear that they are preaching a false gospel.
Regarding authority, I agree with you. The Governing Body tells them what to think, what to say, how to dress, how to live and anyone who disagrees had better look out. The fear of expulsion and shunning is used to keep people in line. Yet there should be no fear in love because perfect love drives out fear. That is not how the Watch Tower Society operates. Their final authority is not scripture - it is the Governing Body and the elders who carry out their demands.
You could make that argument about Christianity. In fact it would work. Minus the Watchtower part.
In what way is this different than any other religion?
False, our beliefs are based on the bible and history.
you are not right. what are you basing your accusations on.
Their beliefs are based on the Bible
Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the Bible. The Old AND New Testament. While they have published their own translation, ALL translations are valid and compared in study.
The Watchtower Society and Governing body are just men, their publications are HUMAN publications and are not claimed to be inspired of god. As such, Witnesses study the BIBLE and follow the bible's godly wisdom and principles.
Anything else you hear is false, made up by those wishing to discredit the bible and its followers.
Isaiah 43:10-12
If you would take the time to examine the watchtower and Awake magazines, you would find that the subjects are quotations from the work of others as well as studies from the bible. We examine what meanings can be drawn from the scriptures and have in depth discussions about what has been presented.
Anyone has the chance to interpret what they have learned.
However, we have also learned that Jesus was correct when he said there would be hatred and dissension about our working for him.
I have also noted there are far more misquotes from those who don't understand, than there are praises from those who do and cheer us on!
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